Championship clubs propose £20 million salary cap.

[billyblack]

6 hours ago, Mystic Neg said:

Simple way to solve it is say to your Premier league stars, I want you, I will pay you 200k a week but if we get relegated your contract is null and void. You are welcome to continue with us in the championship but it will be on these terms.

 

See how hard the divas in the failing premier league teams work after the Christmas break

 

I blame football agents

100%. Just have clauses in their contracts and if its across the board they have two choices.

[Swiss Toni]

They need one in the PL too or the gap will be too large to be fair. I’m all for a salary cap but they need one for each league in England.
 

You can go up to the PL on a 20 million salary cap and then have to rebuild your whole team because the PL is an open limit and to fully compete your players on a 20 million salary cap just won’t be good enough.

[Guest Ash76]

The squad size cap proposal they’ve proposed is something I’ve been going on about for ages. It only works if it applies to PL teams too though

[Minton]

16 minutes ago, Ash76 said:

The squad size cap proposal they’ve proposed is something I’ve been going on about for ages. It only works if it applies to PL teams too though

 

Squad sizes are already capped though?

 

25 players, anyone under 21 (I think) at the start of the season doesn't need to be included. Same as the Premier League, except the PL have further rules on home-grown players too.

 

Edited February 28, 2020 by Minton

[jonnyowl]

Think it's a better idea than FFP.

 

Think £20m is too low.

 

Money should be distributed more evenly so clubs that cant afford a £20m wage bill like Barnsley can still pay same wages as those that can.

 

How would it apply to relegated teams?

 

The other problem it would cause is when teams are promoted, they'd need a big increase just to compete.

[Notts Owl]

12 hours ago, Drewswfc said:

Just glad Jones has gone.... He was on 20m a month

Stop being daft, we all know it was weekly with add ons tch 

[Guest Ash76]

54 minutes ago, Minton said:

 

Squad sizes are already capped though?

 

25 players, anyone under 21 (I think) at the start of the season doesn't need to be included. Same as the Premier League, except the PL have further rules on home-grown players too.

 

 

OK a limit on the number of games payer registrations clubs can hold 

[nbupperthongowl]

It will all end in tears when in a couple of years DC has to explain to the EFL how Bannans image rights are worth £2,m p.a.

[Minton]

19 minutes ago, Ash76 said:

 

OK a limit on the number of games payer registrations clubs can hold 

 

Not sure what you mean by that.

 

But there are already caps on the number of players a club can send out on loan, so there isn't the kind of player hoarding that Chelsea were guilty of anymore, but there aren't many clubs with a senior squad over 25 players anyway as they aren't able to be played. 

 

To put the proposed £20m cap into context, only 7 clubs in 2018 were under that figure,  Burton (£10m), Barnsley (£11m), Milwall (£13m), Preston (£15m), Brentford (£17m), Ipswich (£19m) and The Grunters (£19m). And before people start harping on about moving to Brentford's model, their wages alone were 113% of their total turnover. Preston was 119% of turnover. That's before any other costs are paid too.

 

And to show the gulf between the Championship and League 1, the Blunts nearly doubled their wage bill after promotion and still managed to be in the bottom 6 of the wage table. 

 

Villa's wage bill for that year was £73m. 

 

And one final point. The average wage amount for that year's top 6 was £54m. Meaning that we overachieved for what we spent on wages.

Edited February 28, 2020 by Minton

[cross owl]

9 hours ago, legendaryswan said:

Course you dont you re negotiate contracts and stick in the clauses that offer incentives should you work hard enough to gain promotion back,rather than rewarding failure

 

 

  That's how it should always work except with the money monster which is the prem greed has won through and shows no sign of stopping . If it looks like you are heading towards the trap door most of your squad in january would be demanding a move to anywhere but you . There is little pride left it's all about maximum cash .

[SiJ]

2 hours ago, vulva said:

The EFL should just let clubs spend what they want. Fans for years have bleated on about the money in the game, and the EFL have tried everything to address the issue and regulate the financial side. What happens then is the billionaires within the game hire very expensive lawyers. 

 

Let them spend what they want, and then clubs will go bust, and communities will

lose their life football club Then just watch the bleating at the EFL by the fans.  

This. 

 

Let the clubs take responsibility. If they are stupid enough to spend themselves into oblivion, then so be it. 

 

By trying to govern this side of the game, the EFL are only making things more difficult for themselves. 

 

Look at all the fallout with FFP. 

[SiJ]

1 hour ago, Junk Smuggler said:

They need one in the PL too or the gap will be too large to be fair. I’m all for a salary cap but they need one for each league in England.
 

You can go up to the PL on a 20 million salary cap and then have to rebuild your whole team because the PL is an open limit and to fully compete your players on a 20 million salary cap just won’t be good enough.

Yep. 

 

The system wouldn't work unless the PL followed suit and their wagecap wasn't a million miles off that of the Championship. 

 

That won't happen. There is no way that Man U, Liverpool, City, Chelsea etc., are agreeing to a drastic curtailing of their wagebills. 

[malek]

8 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Yep. 

 

The system wouldn't work unless the PL followed suit and their wagecap wasn't a million miles off that of the Championship. 

 

That won't happen. There is no way that Man U, Liverpool, City, Chelsea etc., are agreeing to a drastic curtailing of their wagebills. 

 

And with salary cap in place quality of players signing with PL clubs will decrease, cost of rights to show PL games will drop, and FA will lose money. 

 

All in all, salary cap in PL will never happen. Makes no sense implementing it in lower leagues as well.

[Swiss Toni]

12 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Yep. 

 

The system wouldn't work unless the PL followed suit and their wagecap wasn't a million miles off that of the Championship. 

 

That won't happen. There is no way that Man U, Liverpool, City, Chelsea etc., are agreeing to a drastic curtailing of their wagebills. 

Totally agree. Should have been done at the inception of the PL but it’s too late now. All a salary cap for one league will do is alienate them even more. It will take a decent sized club or two to go out of business before it’s looked at properly.

[S36 OWL]

13 hours ago, steelcityowlsfan said:

Surely £20 million is too low? While I am in favour of a salary cap, to challenge consistently and be in a good position to go up, surely £50 million is more appropriate?

 

I should stress this hasn’t been agreed and clubs are due to meet again next month.

 

Thoughts? 

 

Unless that includes the relegated ptem teams it will just make the current situation a whole lot worse and the division a lot less competitive. 

[SiJ]

6 minutes ago, malek said:

 

And with salary cap in place quality of players signing with PL clubs will decrease, cost of rights to show PL games will drop, and FA will lose money. 

 

All in all, salary cap in PL will never happen. Makes no sense implementing it in lower leagues as well.

Yep. 

 

Complete fantasy to think that the cashcow of the PL will in anyway follow suit. 

 

if the Championship was to impose this on itself, then it will only serve to further the gap between the top flight and the second tier. 

 

There will also be a clutch of PL teams (those who have as much chance finishing 8th as they do getting relegated) who would have to think about the prospect of cutting their wagebill down to 20 million should they get relegated. As we know, most teams existence in that division is somewhat finite. The disparity between the two divisions is stark as it is and that is without a salary cap. 

 

If the Championship were to implement this, then they end up making the PL more of a closed shop. In fact, it could even lead to the PL becoming an actual closed shop, as their members would be unwilling to entertain the prospect of getting relegated and having to slash their wage bill down to 20 million. 

Edited February 28, 2020 by SiJ

[S36 OWL]

12 hours ago, MAL said:

What is the punishment, if clubs don't adhere to it?

 

10 year season ticket at Hillsbro 

[Minton]

57 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Yep. 

 

The system wouldn't work unless the PL followed suit and their wagecap wasn't a million miles off that of the Championship. 

 

That won't happen. There is no way that Man U, Liverpool, City, Chelsea etc., are agreeing to a drastic curtailing of their wagebills. 

 

The PL has a cap on turnover to wages already, plus a cap on wage increases too. Teams can't have an increase of more than about 30% on their previous year's wage total once they spend over £74m. 

[HirstWhoScoredIt]

People are spouting some rubbish on here.

 

The biggest one being that £20m is too low and/or it wouldn't work unless the PL followed suit!

 

Of course it would, market forces would take care of it.

 

Players would either have to accept £20K a week in the Championship, find a club abroad that would pay them more or sit it out on their current contract.

 

It really is that simple.

 

Then ultimately what would happen, is if a PL club had a player on say £35K a week that they couldn't get rid of they'd either keep paying it or they would let him go to a Championship club and they'd have to pay £15K per week of his wages.

 

The other classic was that clubs would just get around it by giving players in things like cars and houses.  Again easily solved, the limit includes all benefits that go on your P11d.  So unless people are seriously suggesting that clubs will deliberately embrace tax evasion there isn't a problem there either.

 

This is a much better and easier to police policy than what we have currently.

 

I do agree though, you can't exempt relegated PL clubs from it.  They just have to be cleverer with their contracts or the £20m only applies to a squad that each club announces. Therefore if a PL club comes down with a £30m wage bill and they can't offload you don't punish them.  They just have to not include £10m worth of players in the squad they announce at the start of the season.  Therefore you'd just end up with a relegated club having players they couldn't play.

 

Again, market forces would take over.  They'd pay some of the wages to offload and going forwards clubs would write relegation clauses into the contracts.

 

This is how a free market works people, it adapts!

[fredmciverslovechild]

Years ago players were subject to a maximum wage but clubs found a way around it so it was abolished. The exact same thing would happen here.

 

If mega rich owners come in then why should they have a limit imposed on what they wish to spend? This is all basically the EFL trying to pass the blame on to clubs because they know their "fit and proper" test is a complete nonsense.