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9 hours ago, NeonLeon said:

Chansiri should rename us Sheffield Conspiracy FC

 

Don’t people just turn up and support the team anymore? 


Quite difficult when two of your best players can’t play for whatever reason.

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34 minutes ago, northeastowl said:


Quite difficult when two of your best players can’t play for whatever reason.

We've also got Fox, Reach,Luongo and Fletcher out. That's 6 first team players out counting Hutch and Westwood. That's got to make winning more difficult. Put Hutch and Westwood back in and it helps a bit but it's still going to be difficult.

 

Fox should be back this week, Fletcher is close. We could start picking up points soon.

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Thing that makes me laugh about all the murky conspiracy theories is how quickly we seem to forget the most basic facts of the whole setup:

 

- while Hutch & Westwood may not exactly stroll into the top 10 sides in the Champ this season, they’re both of widely recognised quality at this level, and certainly highly credible options for our starting XI in their respective positions

 

- Ergo anyone (certainly Monk) can see it would be far better for us to have players of their calibre to call upon as an option for us right now. He’d no doubt love to be able to rely on them and their experience week in & week out, especially when we’re struggling

 

- the fact he clearly feels he can’t is by no means an easy/lazy/ill-considered hill for him to die on (especially so publicly, and again, even more so when we’re struggling), yet he obviously feels he has to make this tough call

 

- justifying decisions to the fans, the media, or the two players in question are mere sideshows to Monk’s main job, which remains managing and working with an entire squad on a daily basis; decisions he makes have to appear justifiable/credible to *them*, first and foremost, which presumably he must be confident this one also does

 

- surely, given all of the above, it stands to reason that he’s not simply doing this on a whim. Whatever his reasons are for making these tough calls, it’s extremely hard to imagine he’s got some random bee in his bonnet and chucked toys over a vague ‘personality clash’ without a moment’s further thought to the wider implications?

 

Stuff like this very rarely ‘just happens’. Can’t really see why anyone feels there might be an Agatha Christie-level backstairs plot to it all.

 

Occam’s razor and all that.

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Hutchinson is out of contract in the summer.

 

If Monk's decided already he's not going to be giving a new contract to him, then fine - but until then we should be playing him - and the only reasonable argument there could be against this if we had an adequate replacement already here, but we don't. We do have Pelupessy, of course, but he's also out of contract in the summer - and he's clearly not anywhere near to what could be called an adequate replacement.

 

I just don't understand why Monk felt any need to have any kind of conversation with Hutchinson at all in late-January about all this.

 

Whatever the actual catalyst, it's hard to imagine it was anything other than the result of a heated argument, rather than a long-considered and thoughtful step towards the longer term as it is being presented now.

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2 hours ago, FinnishOwl said:

Didn't Jos freeze Hutchinson after the disastrous WBA game? I'm sure some words were exchanged after that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if something similar has happened again.

 

It was Brentford away early in the season, Hutchinson gave away a daft penalty, was subbed at HT and never played a league game under Jos again, only the cup game against Wolves shortly afterwards. He was an unused sub for the 3 league games after Brentford and then never even appeared in the squad for several months until he was recalled the day after Jos left. After that he played a full 90 minutes for the majority of games for the rest of the season.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mr Farrell said:

It isn't complicated and not sure how many different people need to point it out.

 

Westwood self diagnoses when it suits, and Monk has called his bluff.

 

Questions were asked of Hutch's QPR injury and the same again , Monk called him out and sacked him off.

 

That's my interpretation anyway. Maybe it's just me.

 

Or to put it another way you are guessing just like everyone else.

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The facts are Jos and Monk had a fall out with Hutch and bombed him out of the squad. The team performances and results suffered as a result.

 

Bruce took the opposite approach and played him, and performances and results generally improved. There will clearly be more to it than this, but there's a pattern.

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1 hour ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

It's not rocket science and enough evidence out there.

 

Just for you though, Westwood slept with Monks dog and then ran off with Hutch's sister.

 

If it were just a fitness thing why banish them from training with the squad?

 

It's not as clear cut as you make out.

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1 hour ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

It's not rocket science and enough evidence out there.

 

Just for you though, Westwood slept with Monks dog and then ran off with Hutch's sister.

yep that's the one    Mr Flol 

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2 hours ago, prowl said:

We've also got Fox, Reach,Luongo and Fletcher out. That's 6 first team players out counting Hutch and Westwood. That's got to make winning more difficult. Put Hutch and Westwood back in and it helps a bit but it's still going to be difficult.

 

Fox should be back this week, Fletcher is close. We could start picking up points soon.


Fingers crossed mate. 

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whatever went off or did not go off the point is that it should not have been done in the middle of the season  .why was it so important for Monk to risk all by doing this with 13 games left ,At the moment Cameron is behaving like Kamikhazi Dawson and it is a case of when does he make a cockup  and the team are playing woeful at the same time, yet our two strongest players are no where to be seen so competition for places is no longer an offer and makes the team far weaker ,whether Monk is right or not will be seen further down the line but the timing of doing this will make us struggle unnecessary therefore playing the strongest side is paramount ,so why is he not doing so as our survival in this league  is far more important the monks/westwood, hutch's ego's ,and any manager worth their salt should know this 

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9 hours ago, davey_wells said:

Absolute zero chance of that info being shared in a press conference.

 

Plus, he wasnt asked those specific questions anyway.

Nothing confidential about telling us what the KW injury is, nor saying "we are getting a consultant/ another scan  to look at this". 

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13 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

I am.going to take at face value the comments that he's made in the press conference today re Hutch and Westwood.

 

If Monk's comments are to be believed the reason behind the freezing out of these 2 is down to their inability to remain fit and available.

 

Taking into account Hutchinson played in the wins over Charlton and Brentford before picking up a suspension after his booking at Derby we can only assume this epiphany occurred around mid December with the team sat comfortably in contention for a play off place.

 

It's then we are to believe that Monk took the decision he no longer required these 2 in and around the matchday squad, again, on the back of Hutchinson starting the previous 3 games, an away win at Charlton, a home win V Brentford and an away draw at Derby.

 

By now Westwood had been dropped and was amongst the substitutes.

 

With Hutchinson suspended and Westwood on the bench results continued to go well for the next fortnight. Is it at this point that Monk decided to have his conversations with Westwood and Hutch?

 

If so, with morale on a high and league position  looking healthy throwing a bomb into the mix by freezing out two of the most I influential members of the first team squad would be nothing short of bonkers.

 

Or...If it wasn't at this point and was within the last 3/4 weeks, are we to believe with team on it's arse, with central midfield screaming out for a ball winner and with an inexperienced and under pressure young goalkeeper costing us points Monk decided it was time to discount recalling Hutch and Westwood for good?!

 

None of this adds up. Someone is telling porkies.

 

 

Certainly some obvious follow up information is not being given. "KW is injured" omits what is wrong with him. Under Jos we had a similar funny situation where Jos said he was not fit and at that time I think KW tweeted that he was fit. This time he is being discreet.

Self diagnosis is not on,  and extra medical advice should be sought for a player with a mystery illness when an employee is not available because of injury or illness.

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5 hours ago, Mr Farrell said:

This. Not sure why anybody is surprised with Westwood in particular. He's done it for 10 years ffs.

 

At some point you can't let him dictate when he plays and when he doesn't, and you also have to question his commitment to the cause. 

We may be weaker without them, but no player is bigger than the team or club.

 

Brave by Monk and he should be applauded.

 

To follow that to its logical conclusion, so should Luhukay, I suppose?

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4 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

But what about the timing of it?

 

Why not wait until the end of the season? If we somehow had scrambled to promotion it's an easy one- they're not PL standard and Hutch is out of contract anyway. Anything else and breaking up the 'old squad' is a valid argument, but mid season of anmidseason (at that point) relatively successful one?

 

It seems when this was decided we were in a healthy position, but the effects of whatever has gone on are plain to see.

 

Our season has capitulated. Maybe it's just coincidence, but it certainly hasn't helped.

 

The thing about Hutchinson is it's Hutchinson bingo every game these days. Take your pick from picking up an injury a yellow card a red card or all three. A great servant to the club and would be sad to see him go would be great to use him as a mentor to the young players but looks like it's not to be.

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40 minutes ago, darra said:

The thing about Hutchinson is it's Hutchinson bingo every game these days. Take your pick from picking up an injury a yellow card a red card or all three. A great servant to the club and would be sad to see him go would be great to use him as a mentor to the young players but looks like it's not to be.

 

Stats certainly show the bookings (10) but given that he tackles more aggressively than most of our players that is not surprising. What may be interesting though is he has less red cards than Luongo and has played nearly twice as many games despite being frozen out for a number. It is quite obvious at this point in time he is fitter than Luongo and dare I say it a much better sitting midfielder, quicker stronger more desire. That desire dislike of losing though may manifest in him having a rant and upset the ones who just want to turn up for a game of football.

I hope Massimo can prove me wrong but much as with Kadeem Harris when the novelty wears off we may see that he is no world beater.

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I would imagine there was a bust up after the game on Boxing Day. Conceding two goals in added time and throwing away more points likely led to high tensions. 

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5 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

But what about the timing of it?

 

Why not wait until the end of the season? If we somehow had scrambled to promotion it's an easy one- they're not PL standard and Hutch is out of contract anyway. Anything else and breaking up the 'old squad' is a valid argument, but mid season of a (at that point) relatively successful one?

 

It seems when this was decided we were in a healthy position, but the effects of whatever has gone on are plain to see.

 

Our season has capitulated. Maybe it's just coincidence, but it certainly hasn't helped.

 

was the timing seen as a natural break with both being out of the team? 

 

Maybe not the best timining maybe not the right way to do it.

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3 minutes ago, VBQ24 said:

I would imagine there was a bust up after the game on Boxing Day. Conceding two goals in added time and throwing away more points likely led to high tensions. 

I could quite easily envisage that, a number of us would probably have a rant if we lost an eleven or five a side match that we should have won.

I suppose it depends (pure supposition) on if he had a meltdown did he criticize other players or question the managers tactics. If he questioned the tactics you could well imagine Monk might freeze him out and use fitness as the excuse.

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15 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

I am.going to take at face value the comments that he's made in the press conference today re Hutch and Westwood.

 

If Monk's comments are to be believed the reason behind the freezing out of these 2 is down to their inability to remain fit and available.

 

Taking into account Hutchinson played in the wins over Charlton and Brentford before picking up a suspension after his booking at Derby we can only assume this epiphany occurred around mid December with the team sat comfortably in contention for a play off place.

 

It's then we are to believe that Monk took the decision he no longer required these 2 in and around the matchday squad, again, on the back of Hutchinson starting the previous 3 games, an away win at Charlton, a home win V Brentford and an away draw at Derby.

 

By now Westwood had been dropped and was amongst the substitutes.

 

With Hutchinson suspended and Westwood on the bench results continued to go well for the next fortnight. Is it at this point that Monk decided to have his conversations with Westwood and Hutch?

 

If so, with morale on a high and league position  looking healthy throwing a bomb into the mix by freezing out two of the most I influential members of the first team squad would be nothing short of bonkers.

 

Or...If it wasn't at this point and was within the last 3/4 weeks, are we to believe with team on it's arse, with central midfield screaming out for a ball winner and with an inexperienced and under pressure young goalkeeper costing us points Monk decided it was time to discount recalling Hutch and Westwood for good?!

 

None of this adds up. Someone is telling porkies.

 

 

But you forgot to mention GM knows a successful changing room - I am not sure where from maybe he saw that thing on tv about Colin, or Mike Bassett England manager as he has failed at every club he has been at, won nothing, in his playing career that spanned 19 years he played just 281 games or an average of just 15 games a season either he had lots of injuries or just was not good enough to play.

 

He talks a lot of crap, or that's what seem to come across from his press interviews and seem to easily fall out with everyone he comes into contact with.

 

I think senior pros have questioned his lack of tactics, ability to change games and useless use of substitutions in games and he will have spat his dummy out and banished them.

 

Reach has vanish with no news on why, Westwood, Hutch though fit are declared injured by the manager, Fox's new contract seems to have vanish, no backroom staff coming in it just sparks of a manager living on borrow time and a chairman too stupid to sort the mess out quickly.

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