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I am.going to take at face value the comments that he's made in the press conference today re Hutch and Westwood.

 

If Monk's comments are to be believed the reason behind the freezing out of these 2 is down to their inability to remain fit and available.

 

Taking into account Hutchinson played in the wins over Charlton and Brentford before picking up a suspension after his booking at Derby we can only assume this epiphany occurred around mid December with the team sat comfortably in contention for a play off place.

 

It's then we are to believe that Monk took the decision he no longer required these 2 in and around the matchday squad, again, on the back of Hutchinson starting the previous 3 games, an away win at Charlton, a home win V Brentford and an away draw at Derby.

 

By now Westwood had been dropped and was amongst the substitutes.

 

With Hutchinson suspended and Westwood on the bench results continued to go well for the next fortnight. Is it at this point that Monk decided to have his conversations with Westwood and Hutch?

 

If so, with morale on a high and league position  looking healthy throwing a bomb into the mix by freezing out two of the most I influential members of the first team squad would be nothing short of bonkers.

 

Or...If it wasn't at this point and was within the last 3/4 weeks, are we to believe with team on it's arse, with central midfield screaming out for a ball winner and with an inexperienced and under pressure young goalkeeper costing us points Monk decided it was time to discount recalling Hutch and Westwood for good?!

 

None of this adds up. Someone is telling porkies.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, NeonLeon said:

Chansiri should rename us Sheffield Conspiracy FC

 

Don’t people just turn up and support the team anymore? 

Have people ever done 'just' that? I remember all sorts of stories about why Hirst and Werhurst didn't get on as an example.

 

 

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I think it boils down to having two big personalities in the dressing room. Hutch came through the ranks at Chelsea, nearly had to retire though injury he probably comes across as a “I don’t give a poo attitude” “rants and speaks their mind” potentially undermining the manager...he needs a strong personality to manage him and keep him in line. Westwood is and has always been a bit petulant...again needs managing.

 

End of the day, your best team is your best team whether you are playing Under 10s footie or professional football, and all the players know who is the best...it’s natural selection.

 

Something kicked off after the Stoke game and we’ve not recovered since.

 

Down to the manager to “manage” the situation not bomb senior pros out of the squad imo.

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9 minutes ago, NeonLeon said:

Chansiri should rename us Sheffield Conspiracy FC

 

Don’t people just turn up and support the team anymore? 

 

Outside of Sheffield we've been called Sheffield Doomsday for years. 

 

Reading between the lines, every which way I look at it, we're looking at the issue of contracts not being renewed, and Westwood and Hutchinson now have the Monk on, ironically. 

 

:1276983839_MonkHome:

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Monk didn’t go out to update on Hutch or Westwood today but he was quizzed about it. I think his answers were poor tbh, he didn’t expect such a grilling and made up some BS on the spot. 
 

Westwood is not injured. Hutch can play regular enough to be involved. They are crocks yes but he knows on the pitch they contribute to success. 
 

It’s complete and utter drivel and most of us can see straight through it. 
 

He is a man of principle, thought he could make some changes and it’s backfired.

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3 minutes ago, Ozymandias Owl said:

 

Outside of Sheffield we've been called Sheffield Doomsday for years. 

 

Reading between the lines, every which way I look at it, we're looking at the issue of contracts not being renewed, and Westwood and Hutchinson now have the Monk on, ironically. 

 

:1276983839_MonkHome:

Westwood has another year.

 

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2 minutes ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

Westwood has another year.

 

Maybe he wanted an extension?

 

Let's also bare in mind, in a time when some players may have been told they have to wait for the summer for contract renewals Dawson has negotiated and signed a new contract, three weeks ago. Another reason for Westwood and Hutchinson having the Monk on. 

 

Speculation of course. 

 

 

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at these manager briefings I'd rather they ask Monk why he doesn't order Bannan to stay in the opposition half of the pitch and if he'd consider fining him every time he gets to within 10 yards of our box

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Monks a sh*te manager who judging by his previous history where hes fallen out with players and staff at L**ds, Boro and Birmingham, seems to have an attitude problem, so I can see where the problem is.

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31 minutes ago, NeonLeon said:

Chansiri should rename us Sheffield Conspiracy FC

 

Don’t people just turn up and support the team anymore? 

Yes, more than the club should reasonably expect, given the prices, and the fayre on offer

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Good opening post. Defo more to this than being told. 

Nothing wrong with Westwood’s fitness. Hutch played more last two seasons than ever. All bull crap. Got to have had a fall out with big characters that’s obv not kept opinions to themselves in the dressing room. Prob undermining Monk. 

Prob costing DC 50/55 k a week for not playing but does he have to back his manager. All very strange 

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41 minutes ago, Ian_D said:

at these manager briefings I'd rather they ask Monk why he doesn't order Bannan to stay in the opposition half of the pitch and if he'd consider fining him every time he gets to within 10 yards of our box

 

That's FFP solved then!

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2 hours ago, crookesowl said:

Monk didn’t go out to update on Hutch or Westwood today but he was quizzed about it. I think his answers were poor tbh, he didn’t expect such a grilling and made up some BS on the spot. 
 

Westwood is not injured. Hutch can play regular enough to be involved. They are crocks yes but he knows on the pitch they contribute to success. 
 

It’s complete and utter drivel and most of us can see straight through it. 
 

He is a man of principle, thought he could make some changes and it’s backfired.

If KW is injured, why did he not say so in his tweet on Monday? Why did GM not tell us what the recurrent injury is? And what specialist treatment is being sought for him? 

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2 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

I am.going to take at face value the comments that he's made in the press conference today re Hutch and Westwood.

 

If Monk's comments are to be believed the reason behind the freezing out of these 2 is down to their inability to remain fit and available.

 

Taking into account Hutchinson played in the wins over Charlton and Brentford before picking up a suspension after his booking at Derby we can only assume this epiphany occurred around mid December with the team sat comfortably in contention for a play off place.

 

It's then we are to believe that Monk took the decision he no longer required these 2 in and around the matchday squad, again, on the back of Hutchinson starting the previous 3 games, an away win at Charlton, a home win V Brentford and an away draw at Derby.

 

By now Westwood had been dropped and was amongst the substitutes.

 

With Hutchinson suspended and Westwood on the bench results continued to go well for the next fortnight. Is it at this point that Monk decided to have his conversations with Westwood and Hutch?

 

If so, with morale on a high and league position  looking healthy throwing a bomb into the mix by freezing out two of the most I influential members of the first team squad would be nothing short of bonkers.

 

Or...If it wasn't at this point and was within the last 3/4 weeks, are we to believe with team on it's arse, with central midfield screaming out for a ball winner and with an inexperienced and under pressure young goalkeeper costing us points Monk decided it was time to discount recalling Hutch and Westwood for good?!

 

None of this adds up. Someone is telling porkies.

 

 

I am prepared to believe KW has chronic recurrent problems and that they were troubling him when he made mistakes eg dropping the ball and was left out. But now is he injured and , if so , what is the injury? Is he long term sick and needing a pay off? Do not know what to think but do know the defence is in a terrible mess.

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49 minutes ago, victorturner said:

If KW is injured, why did he not say so in his tweet on Monday? Why did GM not tell us what the recurrent injury is? And what specialist treatment is being sought for him? 

Absolute zero chance of that info being shared in a press conference.

 

Plus, he wasnt asked those specific questions anyway.

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40 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said:

It isn't complicated and not sure how many different people need to point it out.

 

Westwood self diagnoses when it suits, and Monk has called his bluff.

 

Questions were asked of Hutch's QPR injury and the same again , Monk called him out and sacked him off.

 

That's my interpretation anyway. Maybe it's just me.

I'd have to agree with this. The issue is not that they are injured now but that they are consistently missing large chunks of every season through injuries. 

 

How many times has Westwood for example pulled up in warm ups and missed the next 3 or 4 werks over the years. 

 

Are they the players that would make the difference who knows. Is Monk the right man man for the job not sure. 

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Didn't Jos freeze Hutchinson after the disastrous WBA game? I'm sure some words were exchanged after that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if something similar has happened again.

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All players get injuries, it’s the nature of the beast, why oh why would you freeze out your best players. If players come in and do well then that’s fine but when their replacements are struggling then it makes no sense to not use these players whilst they are employed by the club.

mr Monk needs to man up and admit he’s wrong excluding these players, bring them back into the fold, if Pelupessy is a better option than Hutch in Monks eyes then I think he needs to get some help from new staff because he obviously can’t see the wood for the trees

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24 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

This. Not sure why anybody is surprised with Westwood in particular. He's done it for 10 years ffs.

 

At some point you can't let him dictate when he plays and when he doesn't, and you also have to question his commitment to the cause. 

We may be weaker without them, but no player is bigger than the team or club.

 

Brave by Monk and he should be applauded.

But what about the timing of it?

 

Why not wait until the end of the season? If we somehow had scrambled to promotion it's an easy one- they're not PL standard and Hutch is out of contract anyway. Anything else and breaking up the 'old squad' is a valid argument, but mid season of a (at that point) relatively successful one?

 

It seems when this was decided we were in a healthy position, but the effects of whatever has gone on are plain to see.

 

Our season has capitulated. Maybe it's just coincidence, but it certainly hasn't helped.

 

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