Guest oz_owl Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: give over ,Look at the wages they are on Ridiculous. Look at someone like Gary Speed. Fabulous career at the top level, promising managerial career, appeared to have everything you would want from being a professional footballer. Didn't prevent mental health issues that ultimately led to him taking his own life. Money can solve many problems, but it also creates different ones. Anything can be a trigger for stress, anxiety and depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Don’t think there is anything wrong with saying players aren’t performing well and need to do better. However dishing out personal abuse is another matter. People hiding behind a keyboard dishing out hurtful abuse to someone they have never met before is pathetic. Edited February 20, 2020 by WalthamOwl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I get the impression that one poster here will not be a particularly avid reader, but Ronald Reng's A life too short about the goalkeeper Robert Enke is an excellent book. Some will remember that Enke took his own life about ten years ago. Highly recommended, and very sobering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, DeeJayOne said: In fact, this has annoyed me because it is a view some people genuinely hold: "If someone has money they should automatically be better with their mental health". It is up there with stupid statements like "well they are famous so they should be able to take people having a go at them". Mental health doesn't work like that. A person is a person whether they are rich or poor. They have the same brain functionality, etc. Mental health doesn't discriminate based on economic status or fame. Of course, being poor comes with a lot of mental health (and economic) strain, but having money can too. Especially for people like sporting stars who often come from a poor background and then suddenly get money thrown at them for a short space of time. There are pressures that come with having money, just as they are pressures that come with going without. People often live to their means. Money/fame doesn't buy happiness or stop mental health problems. While I can see what you're saying, it is a major factor. I'd guess that 80-90% of mental health problems are caused by someone's financial situation and/or physical health issues of either themselves or family members. I've been there myself, used to do a lot of trading on the stock market, at one point I'd made about £400k profit then I blew it all and some more.. ended up about £200k down and penniless. Financial things have a massive impact on your mental health because it means you can't sleep well, you don't eat well, you're even too anxious to exercise regularly. If you're earning big money which nearly all PL and Championship players are, assuming you take sound advice and don't waste it (which I know a lot of them probably do), then that means one of the major stresses in life isn't there. Not been funny but who cares if someone thinks you're sh*t at football on twitter... it doesn't affect your life situation one bit so need to shut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Never quite understand why players and clubs don't communicate better with fans - like westwood has recently done - to put to bed any rumours, etc. Kind of nullifies all the needless (and often unhealthy) noise then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Mental health can affect anyone, regardless of their circumstances, at any time. To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance and frankly downright offensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot down in flames. Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: Mental health for players ,Let em try having a mortgage 3 kids and getting made redundant . What a stupid comment mental health problems are nothing to do with wealth and can hit anyone at anytime go give your head a wobble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, DeeJayOne said: Tell that to the bank, wanting to know where their mortgage repayments are that they gave based on a £15000 a week pay packet. If you get made redundant at any level the consequences can be bad. A bank wouldn't give out a mortgage based on that, they'd do it based on the length of contract as there's zero guarantee they'll get another one on the same money at the end of it. Think they have specialist mortgages for them which only last 3-5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, i used to be sc_owl said: The amount of disgusting comments on Owlstalk pales in comparison to the poison on Twitter and Facebook. Those platforms are toxic. Whenever I comment on a player or manager I always try to approach it from a performance perspective rather than a personal perspective. For example; “player X had a poor game” rather than “player X is a c**t and I hope he dies”. On Facebook and Twitter you see plenty of the latter. One of the many reason I do neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Apolon Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I work helping people with debt, I have spoken to people on the bread line, I have spoken to be people with million pound properties in London. One thing they all share, they have reached out to me for help and 99.9% of the time there is mental health concerns that have been driven by something outside of how much the earn (and not just the debt) To suggest those with money should by default be "happy" is ignorant at best and offensive at worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot down in flames. Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: While I can see what you're saying, it is a major factor. I'd guess that 80-90% of mental health problems are caused by someone's financial situation and/or physical health issues of either themselves or family members. I've been there myself, used to do a lot of trading on the stock market, at one point I'd made about £400k profit then I blew it all and some more.. ended up about £200k down and penniless. Financial things have a massive impact on your mental health because it means you can't sleep well, you don't eat well, you're even too anxious to exercise regularly. If you're earning big money which nearly all PL and Championship players are, assuming you take sound advice and don't waste it (which I know a lot of them probably do), then that means one of the major stresses in life isn't there. Not been funny but who cares if someone thinks you're sh*t at football on twitter... it doesn't affect your life situation one bit so need to shut it out. Wow some people are just so ignorant to the truth mental health and money are not linked in any way whatsoever you might as well say if your rich you won’t catch the flu in that case, mental health problems are health issues and can come on at any time. while I am in no way rich, I am reasonably comfortable, I live in a beautiful place, love my job and normally life in general. Then roughly every couple of years my head goes up my arris I can’t stop it can’t control it and I have 1 - 2 months of feeling down and worthless, it’s never triggered by finances or life just what happens my brain isn’t as healthy as some and packs in periodically. i find it very insulting when folk who usually haven’t experienced it themselves are suddenly experts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Shot down in flames. said: Wow some people are just so ignorant to the truth mental health and money are not linked in any way whatsoever you might as well say if your rich you won’t catch the flu in that case, mental health problems are health issues and can come on at any time. while I am in no way rich, I am reasonably comfortable, I live in a beautiful place, love my job and normally life in general. Then roughly every couple of years my head goes up my arris I can’t stop it can’t control it and I have 1 - 2 months of feeling down and worthless, it’s never triggered by finances or life just what happens my brain isn’t as healthy as some and packs in periodically. i find it very insulting when folk who usually haven’t experienced it themselves are suddenly experts Sorry to hear that mate... I was just saying that money is often a root cause of it, it certainly was for me. if I hadn't stopped I'd have ended up killing myself it was that bad. Think with most things in life happiness = reality - expectations. There's always some sort of trigger for anxiety as it's usually caused by things being outside of your control. Have you had counselling? That really helped for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: While I can see what you're saying, it is a major factor. I'd guess that 80-90% of mental health problems are caused by someone's financial situation and/or physical health issues of either themselves or family members. I've been there myself, used to do a lot of trading on the stock market, at one point I'd made about £400k profit then I blew it all and some more.. ended up about £200k down and penniless. Financial things have a massive impact on your mental health because it means you can't sleep well, you don't eat well, you're even too anxious to exercise regularly. If you're earning big money which nearly all PL and Championship players are, assuming you take sound advice and don't waste it (which I know a lot of them probably do), then that means one of the major stresses in life isn't there. Not been funny but who cares if someone thinks you're sh*t at football on twitter... it doesn't affect your life situation one bit so need to shut it out. Trading stocks and salaried professions are not even close to being the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: While I can see what you're saying, it is a major factor. I'd guess that 80-90% of mental health problems are caused by someone's financial situation and/or physical health issues of either themselves or family members. I've been there myself, used to do a lot of trading on the stock market, at one point I'd made about £400k profit then I blew it all and some more.. ended up about £200k down and penniless. Financial things have a massive impact on your mental health because it means you can't sleep well, you don't eat well, you're even too anxious to exercise regularly. If you're earning big money which nearly all PL and Championship players are, assuming you take sound advice and don't waste it (which I know a lot of them probably do), then that means one of the major stresses in life isn't there. Not been funny but who cares if someone thinks you're sh*t at football on twitter... it doesn't affect your life situation one bit so need to shut it out. You are spouting complete and utter sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyonedavidhirst Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Agree with most of the points made already. I’d add that footballers are in most cases different to those that are on television etc in terms of expectation that their life will be in the media. Footballers start their journey at such a young age that they wouldn’t even understand the possible effects that fame could cause. However, celebrities often have a different journey into the celebrity world and will make decisions at various adult ages about what route they want to go and whether the fame is for them, if indeed they get that opportunity. Yes plenty will start acting/dancing/singing at an early age but those skills can lead them to many different places. As part of all that, I strongly believe a footballer is almost unique in the amount of praise and vitriol he will get at a fairly young age and he has no special skills to be able to deal with it. Wednesday players probably face more than most due to our large fan base that are also very keen on using social media platforms. Look at the number of times our players win “awards” when it’s based on internet votes etc. Personally, I can’t see how they avoid the comments completely, they Live in the same world as us and will have mates/family that will say things even if they don’t read it themselves. I’ve never understood why a fan wants to personally belittle players. We trot out comments like players aren’t giving 100% when in truth we just don’t know that at all. Confidence and other factors can cause such highs and lows in performance. I have a family member who competed for GB in a particular sport and I remember the time when I watched her shake with fear all the way through her event and then felt she’d let everyone down afterwards. I would hate to think if that had been televised what people would have said about her when every ounce of her wanted to do better. This was not her “debut” or anything like that at all by the way. I wish some fans would think that there us almost always things going on that we just aren’t aware of that affect players and the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Trading stocks and salaried professions are not even close to being the same. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone lol. 1 minute ago, SiJ said: You are spouting complete and utter sh*t. Fair enough.. clearly never had any money issues self inflicted or otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I agree that people no matter what they wealth or income can have mental health issues. I think someone said on this thread its like having flu and that having a good bank balance wont prevent you from getting it. But still think the wealthier you are the less likely you will be of having mental health issues, and if you do you have a better chance of over coming it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (I think) A large proportion of mental health issues develop during adolescence due to chemical changes in the brain.... Nowt really to do with money...but probably is significantly influenced by social media etc and not understanding the link between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ferkorf Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I completely understand how mental health can make everyone and anyone struggle. But not for one minute would I ever shed a tear for anyone suffers with it and is absolutely minted or has been but has lost it all especially through gambling or alcohol/drug abuse etc. Especially a pampered footballer who is well paid yet on a weekly basis cause me extra stress and anxiety. I dont condone online abuse where it is extreme or even borderline extreme. Using Swfc as an example in the last few weeks, they have played terrible... They are going to get slated by people online. All of us on here have done it. But then theres that handful of morons that take it way too far. Beyond the boundaries of what us lot on here put. I can see how that would cause distress. Sod them though. They wouldn't give a second thought to any of us suffering with mental health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklord Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 You think it's mentally tough for sheff wed players, it's even harder for the fans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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