Dutch McLovin Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, prowl said: You can't have anything other than short term fixes unless the fans stop turning on the manager before he's had time to change things. We need to give each new manager a couple of transfer windows to improve things. At the moment we go full on mental at the first sign of a bad run. Personally I have no view on Monk as a manager. If he goes I won't cry myself to sleep but at some stage we are going to have to get behind someone if we are ever going to get to the Premiership. We do need a long term plan but...…. were probably getting a points deduction and the players have clearly downed tools for the current manager (not acceptable I know) who we cant change and the manager is devoid of ideas. This is the PERFECT time for a short term fix, which Warnock would be and could do with these players. I have never wanted him at this club but if ever there was a time where I could accept it it would be now. Take a 12 point deduction then he gets us enough points to stay up. Job done then start the massive rebuild in the summer with new everything from Top to Bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Andrew6666 said: What about Monk. He has taken Sheffield Wednesday to 12th in the league after taking over in difficult circumstances when the previous manager did a runner at the 12th hour leaving them in the lurch. He has also inherited a crappy squad that has failed for 3 successive years to be promoted. He also cant spend any money so is making do with the dregs that he inherited from prior managers poor dealings. He is also having to manage players on excessive deals from poor management previously. He also has a couple of 'bad eggs' in the dressing room who are destabilising things and making his job harder. He also is trying to fit square pegs into round holes in terms of players and positions because some players are refusing to play. He also has 'called out' the troublesome players and is actually 'BEING' a manager by managing in difficult circumstances. He is also working under a chairman who knows nothing about football. He is also working for a club that has a EFL Legal case hanging over its head. He also works for a club that has had FFP restrictions. He also manages to work for a club that other clubs in the division want to see receive a substantial points deduction. He also works under the pressure of a fan base that expects immediate results because they 'STILL' think that they are a Premier League team, that just happens to have not been in the Premier League for many years. If I've missed anything I do apologise, but I think that this guy has the right experience to manage us . . . . . . . . . . . . . Morning Garry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 There is no doubt he’s vastly experienced and has it in his locker to keep us up this year and push for the play offs next year. The vast majority of our fan base would never accept him. He’s the guy we love to hate, the pantomime villain. Personally after 20 years of mostly cr@p seasons, I’m willing to give anyone a chance if I think they can do it but I get why others wouldn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Mowly Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Wednesday need a strong character as manager. Ron, BigJack, Wilco, Bruce, Carlos could pull it off - can’t think of anyone else who has. Megson perhaps could galvanise the club, and I do think Holloway would be popular in the position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Warnock His record speaks for itself. If you took away his previous misdemenours with the Pigs away, we'd be jumping through hoops and crawling over broken glass to get this man in, 8 promotions in his time, 3 to the premier league. The football aint great, his methods won't be for everyone and he has said those comments (tongue in cheek when United manager) about managing us to send us down - lip service for the united fans. He's changed that stance given what happened towards the end of his tenure there .. I'm not advocating that we chase him etc but as a fan, you can't turn your nose up at a manager with that pedigree and CV ... he'd sort out this sorry bunch of wasters thats for sure .... Edited February 19, 2020 by Hack-Abusi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Ian_D said: rather go down than have that Colin here Sad sad view and you may well get your wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Colin would pretty much guarantee is us survival...I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, full fathom five said: Disagree , you need to give the right manager time not the wrong one to make the situation worse. Imagine giving Jos four or five transfer windows???? Also IF structures and strategies had been properly put in place in every department of the club then a continuation of progress could be achieved whilst developing and selling players for profit along the way. I agree but it is a big IF and not where we are at present. I agree Jos wasn't the right person. I'm not sure about Monk. He's not had the chance to change things. Yes he's made mistakes apparently but we don't know if the football he's playing is because of the players available or if that's what he likes to play. We just need stability. No manager gets support from all our fans and the sniping starts straight away. Certain posters start chipping away at the manager from day one. Is that just us or is it every club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, prowl said: I agree but it is a big IF and not where we are at present. I agree Jos wasn't the right person. I'm not sure about Monk. He's not had the chance to change things. Yes he's made mistakes apparently but we don't know if the football he's playing is because of the players available or if that's what he likes to play. We just need stability. No manager gets support from all our fans and the sniping starts straight away. Certain posters start chipping away at the manager from day one. Is that just us or is it every club? It's every club and every walk of life nowadays £££££££ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, prowl said: I agree but it is a big IF and not where we are at present. I agree Jos wasn't the right person. I'm not sure about Monk. He's not had the chance to change things. Yes he's made mistakes apparently but we don't know if the football he's playing is because of the players available or if that's what he likes to play. We just need stability. No manager gets support from all our fans and the sniping starts straight away. Certain posters start chipping away at the manager from day one. Is that just us or is it every club? I think you are over estimating the influence of Owlstalk. This is a forum and people will always have different opinions on players/managers etc.; some will even form that opinion before they have been given a chance. I'm sure this will happen on forums at every club in the country. However, even if a few posters were sniping about Monk straight away, this will have had no impact whatsoever on Monks managership, unless he's sad enough to read these posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Admittedly this thread is focussing on Warnock, but you can see there is a lot of confused thinking on here Could we grasp that this might have to be a longer term project? Of course, the big question will be, can Chansiri embrace that concept? A long term project might mean, changing the culture of the club, developing a football ethos throughout the whole club, and will almost certainly take a few years. Perhaps something similar to what Swansea set in place, where coaches come and go, but the ethos remains in place. That demands that we then look for a certain type of manager/coach, someone who is good at working with the players Already we can see that the fan base is split, with many fans looking at managers who have championship promotions on their CVs, others favour a more, “no nonsense” old school manager, that will have the players in Greno Woods most of the week. A bit like Chansiri’s managerial appointments thus far, it all seems a bit confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, sparky74 said: Gullible? No, realistic. What believing he would deliberately get us relegated?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew6666 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 58 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: Morning Garry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethman75 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 fizz Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, 83owl said: No the fan base is split already, doesn’t need dividing any further. The fan base will always be split regardless of whether we’re doing well or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said: The fan base will always be split regardless of whether we’re doing well or not? It wasn't split when Bruce was here, there was very much a sense of togetherness and optimism, sadly it was cut short but there was a genuine belief he was the man to take us forward. Having the right man in place is imperative and it can't be underplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky74 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, the monk said: What believing he would deliberately get us relegated?? You must be the gullible one thinking he’d love to come here and keep us up. If we were discussing any other team here then I’d agree as you can’t fault his record at doing what he does. All I am saying is from what I know and have heard from the man I don’t think he’d shed any tears if he took us down- the man hates Wednesday, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Andrew6666 said: What about Monk. He has taken Sheffield Wednesday to 12th in the league after taking over in difficult circumstances when the previous manager did a runner at the 12th hour leaving them in the lurch. He has also inherited a crappy squad that has failed for 3 successive years to be promoted. He also cant spend any money so is making do with the dregs that he inherited from prior managers poor dealings. He is also having to manage players on excessive deals from poor management previously. He also has a couple of 'bad eggs' in the dressing room who are destabilising things and making his job harder. He also is trying to fit square pegs into round holes in terms of players and positions because some players are refusing to play. He also has 'called out' the troublesome players and is actually 'BEING' a manager by managing in difficult circumstances. He is also working under a chairman who knows nothing about football. He is also working for a club that has a EFL Legal case hanging over its head. He also works for a club that has had FFP restrictions. He also manages to work for a club that other clubs in the division want to see receive a substantial points deduction. He also works under the pressure of a fan base that expects immediate results because they 'STILL' think that they are a Premier League team, that just happens to have not been in the Premier League for many years. If I've missed anything I do apologise, but I think that this guy has the right experience to manage us . . . . . . . . . . . . . Great post that...I'm surprised he has not resigned with all the stuff placed at his door. I think he deserves our support not our ire. If he is allowed to get through this we might have a bloody good manager who can manage in adversity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbelly Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Are we in a position to let our pride get in the way of appointing a very capable manager at this level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Absolutely notfuckinColin ………. Under any circumstances!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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