PriceAPP Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Grandad said: what if hes been told by Monk that he doesnt want him on the bench? Yes, lots of questions. New ones due to the fact that, despite a lengthy tweet, Westwood has basically told us nowt. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, Grandad said: I see. And I guess that youre happy to take a stand - even though since Christmas weve W1 D2 L7 and conceded 18? You don't think he should change anything? Or should he just make wholesale changes to all 10 other positions (as he has?) A very difficult situation and if @Bulgaria post is correct ( and tbf I can see it that way more or less ) then what can Monk do? This club seems to be having about 4 serious issues on going at the moment, the whole place stinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, PriceAPP said: Yes, lots of questions. New ones due to the fact that, despite a lengthy tweet, Westwood has basically told us nowt. . . He's addressing one issue. That he wants the trolling, bullying, rumour mongering to stop as it can effect people in a negative way. I would suggest that's a reasonable request. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 23 hours ago, mrrodge said: I will never understand players being told they aren't part of a managers plans especially when under contract. and strange to be dismissed to the U 23s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, PriceAPP said: Yes, lots of questions. New ones due to the fact that, despite a lengthy tweet, Westwood has basically told us nowt. . . Agree. Why is he not training with the squad and sent to the U 23s if he is being a good professional, if only to help the other keepers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriceAPP Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, victorturner said: Agree. Why is he not training with the squad and sent to the U 23s if he is being a good professional, if only to help the other keepers? “Just trying to do my job” hmmm.... Plus, rumours tend to stop when the truth is told but get fired up more when the issue is skirted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just had a look at Jos’s last ever team selection for us. Hector, Fletcher and Palmer on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Grandad said: what if hes been told by Monk that he doesnt want him on the bench? He was on the bench a couple times IIRC, shortly after his demotion. There’s absolutely no way Wildsmith is ahead of him on merit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binky Griptite Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 hours ago, WatfordOwl said: It's a 'possibility' however the burning question would be why, a club who was not in a particularly good state financially would offer one of it's highest earners a new contract. Was he totally out of contract? At the time of renewals there weren't sanctions impending, maybe we thought we'd got away with it and could carry on regardless, only for the poo to hit the fan in November. Perhaps therefore we could argue that the EFL have allowed us to get into a position whereby we now have more high earners than we otherwise would have had if they'd charged us in a timely manner in the summer, before we renewed contracts? 9 hours ago, 83owl said: Why than would you not have that player on the bench? No appearance fee and a known quality replacement should an injury occur. Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Bulgaria said: This imo is what's happened.. Westwood injured his shoulder I believe before Xmas... Monk wanted him playing and thought he should be available. Westwood had Xmas off, to monks anger, then when he returned, told Westwood what he thought and told him Dawson was now the number one. This has pissed off Westwood and Hutchinson chimed in. Monk doesn't want them dictating things. I agree with Monk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Do you know I am incorrect? If so, please enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bulgaria said: Do you know I am incorrect? If so, please enlighten us. I have no idea. If you know you are correct - rather than just guessing- then fair enough. But you said it was your opinion. Edited February 18, 2020 by rickygoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wall Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Not read the full thread, so might be going over old ground here, but to me the most likely scenario seems to be this: After some below par performances Hutch and Westwood get dropped and subsequently go apeshit. Monk then realises that you've either got to start them every week, or have them nowhere near the squad. At this point in their careers, he thinks he can't guarantee that, so he pulls the trigger on both of them. That would seem to be consistent with Monk's quotes and Westwood's. The problem comes when you've only got Pelupessy and, to a lesser extent, Dawson as replacements. One thing that's telling about Westwood's behaviour since the Jos days, is that for all his talk about his own mental health, he's never once had any words of encouragement for Cam Dawson. I get that's he's in direct competition, but you often see good camaraderie between the starting and sub keepers at a club. You would think a guy at the tail end of a good career might want to encourage his obvious successor, but I've seen zero evidence of that. Not even a "by the way, lay off the dogs abuse for Dawson too..." This fuels the idea that he's not the best person to have around when he's been dropped. (For what it's worth, I'd start them both every week!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissmess Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Wall said: Not read the full thread, so might be going over old ground here, but to me the most likely scenario seems to be this: After some below par performances Hutch and Westwood get dropped and subsequently go apeshit. Monk then realises that you've either got to start them every week, or have them nowhere near the squad. At this point in their careers, he thinks he can't guarantee that, so he pulls the trigger on both of them. That would seem to be consistent with Monk's quotes and Westwood's. The problem comes when you've only got Pelupessy and, to a lesser extent, Dawson as replacements. One thing that's telling about Westwood's behaviour since the Jos days, is that for all his talk about his own mental health, he's never once had any words of encouragement for Cam Dawson. I get that's he's in direct competition, but you often see good camaraderie between the starting and sub keepers at a club. You would think a guy at the tail end of a good career might want to encourage his obvious successor, but I've seen zero evidence of that. Not even a "by the way, lay off the dogs abuse for Dawson too..." This fuels the idea that he's not the best person to have around when he's been dropped. (For what it's worth, I'd start them both every week!) Or they are both victims of alien abduction and Monk the Merciless is trying to hide that fact because he is hand in claw with the Lizard people. Your guess is as good as mine since no one knows what the truth is. Still its passes some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wall Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, swissmess said: Your guess is as good as mine since no one knows what the truth is. Still its passes some time. Owlstalk in a nutshell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 If he’s being paid and hasn’t moved he should be available for selection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbloke Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 17/02/2020 at 18:19, hirstyboywonder said: A family member? You said you saw Westwood in a hotel in person. Read again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, fatbloke said: Read again Which bit? This was your post: Just seen and spoken to in hotel in Chester, to quote deal done to play for Huddersfield sat ,eleventh hour Wednesday decided they wanted a fee and scuppered deal ,says he only signed new contract because of Bruce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEdwards Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 18:54, Bulgaria said: Do you know I am incorrect? If so, please enlighten us. I know Garry Monk as his mum is a pro in Lewisham I used to frequent. He said the reason they've been banished is they couldn't stop gobbling on each others knobs long enough to listen to his tactical lessons. Cast iron proof 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 A candidate for banning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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