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I really wish he was one of the players who's contracts were up in the summer.  I know a lot won't agree with me, but I genuinely believe him playing how/where he currently plays is our biggest issue from an on field viewpoint.  A player in that ball playing, making it tick, quarterback, whatever you wanna call it roll, should have the ability to control the game.  He does that, in our own third.  Great.   I'm just gonna come out with it, the main reason I've not renewed my season ticket is that I'm sick of seeing Barry Bannan being ineffective pretty much every week.  He's a central midfielder who has maybe one central midfield quality.  Thats it.  Until he's replaced we ain't going anywhere.  We failed when he was more effective on the left and K Lee was a far better CM then than Bannan ever has/will be.  there is no reality where Bannan is CM where we get out of this division. 

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48 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

Sorry, but the day I agree that Joey no tackles is more effective than one of the best midfielders in the division, is the day I give up.

For one of the best midfielders, there's a LOT of poo he can't/won't do.  

 

It's getting old.  We need younger, fresher, fluid versatility.

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2 minutes ago, Kraschenbern said:

I really wish he was one of the players who's contracts were up in the summer.  I know a lot won't agree with me, but I genuinely believe him playing how/where he currently plays is our biggest issue from an on field viewpoint.  A player in that ball playing, making it tick, quarterback, whatever you wanna call it roll, should have the ability to control the game.  He does that, in our own third.  Great.   I'm just gonna come out with it, the main reason I've not renewed my season ticket is that I'm sick of seeing Barry Bannan being ineffective pretty much every week.  He's a central midfielder who has maybe one central midfield quality.  Thats it.  Until he's replaced we ain't going anywhere.  We failed when he was more effective on the left and K Lee was a far better CM then than Bannan ever has/will be.  there is no reality where Bannan is CM where we get out of this division. 


Im an expat so watch on iFollow every week and feel the same. I was excited to see us yesterday without him. And despite being one down thought we were a better team. If Murphy was on instead of Da Cruz I think we’d have been winning. But then he took off Joey (who according to whoscored was our highest rated player yesterday) for Bannan and back to finger pointing, long balls, midfield void.... I’m so bored of him, glad to see I’m not the only one. 

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4 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said:

For one of the best midfielders, there's a LOT of poo he can't/won't do.  

 

It's getting old.  We need younger, fresher, fluid versatility.

 

Don't disagree, but to say young no tackles corner taker is more effective than Bannan is laughable.

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Just now, Philb125 said:


Im an expat so watch on iFollow every week and feel the same. I was excited to see us yesterday without him. And despite being one down thought we were a better team. If Murphy was on instead of Da Cruz I think we’d have been winning. But then he took off Joey (who according to whoscored was our highest rated player yesterday) for Bannan and back to finger pointing, long balls, midfield void.... I’m so bored of him, glad to see I’m not the only one. 

That's the best way of summing it up.  He's boring.  I'm bored of him.  I'm bored of a team that insists on going through him all the time.  

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8 minutes ago, Kraschenbern said:

I actually said "No less effective" IIRC.  No one is saying Joey is better.  What I'm saying is that Bannan is HUGELY overrated. 

 

All the off bottlers are well past their best.

 

No argument from me. I've only been saying it and getting stalked by the Apologists for 18 months.

 

:ghoulguy:

 

 

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Said for two years he needs to be put in the number 10 role.

 

It's also better with a three man midfield.

 

When it was him and Hutch both sat deep and both like to get the ball off the defence.

 

I also think Luongo has been a miss.

 

But a midfield 3 of Hutch Luongo and Bannan would be good if Bannan was told to play further forward.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kraschenbern said:

Here goes.... this probably ain't gonna be very popular.

 

I have no doubt that Bannan has his qualities.  He's a "tidy" footballer.  But he is the most overrated Wednesday player in my lifetime (I'm 39).  First thing people will say is that he is our best player for assists and is top ten for that stat in this league.  However, as anyone who's studied mathematics will tell you, stats are easily manipulated.  How good would those stats be if we took set pieces out of the equation, or compared assists to say, minutes on the pitch, or touches of the ball.  Probably wouldn't be so impressive.

 

I'm saying this because, people around me got very excited when he came on today.  But the reality is, in my opinion, he's our biggest problem from a tactical point of view.

 

The Bannan people remember, and rightly so, as one of our best players, was not playing central midfield.  He was on the left, tucking in.  Our central pairing, when Bannan was at his best, was Lee and Hutch. Lee provided movement, forward passing, short passing, triangles, goals, and some defensive qualities.  Hutch provided steel.  And is decent enough in possession.  Bannan offers very few of these qualities.  People say play him next to a beast, it wouldn't make a difference.  He is not a central midfielder.  If anything he should play in the hole behind a lone striker.

 

Pellepussy for all his limitations was no less effective than Bannan today, in fact he's probably more effective cos at least he offers something when we're not in possession.  Bannan does not.

 

If Bannan plays, for me he has to be in a three, and he needs to be the most advanced of the three.  One thing we've not seen in a while IIRC is Lee and Hutch together.  I know Hutch is probably not gonna get picked anytime soon and Lee is no where near his best, but surely those two as a central pairing on paper, would scare the opposition more than Bannan and anyone else.

 

For me Bannan has never been a central midfielder.  I would love to see him on the left, and Hutch and Lee in the middle again, and probably Murphy/Reach on the right.  That is a good midfield with balance.  While ever Bannan is in central midfield we will lack balance.

 

Not saying he's terrible.  But for three seasons I've been saying this and honestly it's driving me a bit nuts.  I used to play anchor in my youth in midfield, at what would now be called an academy, I had three qualities, I could pass, I could shoot from distance, and I could tackle.  Bannan has one of those qualities.  (I'm not saying I was a better footballer than Barry, my mum might argue I was tho ;) )

 

The best thing Monk did today was not start Bannan.  As soon as  he came on, we were immediately 20 yards deeper, his first touch of the game was about level with our Iorfa and Borner.  

 

Again I'm not saying he's a bad footballer.  He is overrated tho, and has never been a starting CM in a two, he just doesn't have the range of abilities required.  

 

What I'd give right now for a K. Lee from 3 years ago.

 

Games are won and lost in central midfield, Bannan would not get in 75% of this divisions central midfield pairings.  

 

Obviously there is a lot more wrong than just this issue.  But I really do believe while ever we continue with him in central midfield we won't progress.  I'd sell him tomorrow.  

 

 

 

This post is F@cking spot on.

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I agree that we looked far more balanced without him in the midfield. No-one had to give it to Bannan which is what normally happens. Once the finger pointing, pirouetting started that was it. At one point he was at CB with both Iorfa and Börner further forward.

 

I wouldn't call Swift an anchor man but I thought he played that role wonderfully yesterday.

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Bannan is a problem, positionally a liability and one of the reasons our midfield is wide open, unless we play a 3, with someone else to cover. 

 

Part of this problem is dropping too deep, the easy option to play with no pressure on the ball and leaves gaps for the opposition to walk through. Needs to be braver and affect the game much further up the pitch. I believe he's hiding a bit at the moment, needs to take more responsibility and that tackle at the end of the Lutin game was a disgrace, sums up his attitude at the moment. 

 

He is however a very good player, no doubt about that but the puzzle is, do we set up to accommodate him in the hope he does something, or set up to suit the other players we have.

 

That said, I think Luongo is our most influential midfielder right now, in an area of the pitch which is painfully weak. 

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Bannan is a class act, especially at this level. However he does suffer from ‘playing’. Various players, Lee, Hutchinson, Westwood, FF turn into world beaters the minute they either get injured, dropped or sent to train with the kids. 

 

When Bannan was revered on here a few years ago, he had better players behind him, alongside him and in front of him. Loovens and Westwood were solid, Hunt and Pudil could bomb, Hutchinson, Lopez, Lee, Wallace et al were flying, and he looked up and had options finding space with Hooper, FF and Fletcher. 

 

Bannan looks around now and has got a Dawson shanking it into the North Stand, a kid at fullback, Pellupessy alongside him and a big lad up front. 

 

Bannan is the very least of our problems, but is a very convenient scapegoat. He’d would have been better off getting injured, or hiding. He’s very rarely done either in his career here, and I maintain that in terms of value etc, he’s one of our best ever signings. 

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21 minutes ago, striker said:

Bannan is a problem, positionally a liability and one of the reasons our midfield is wide open, unless we play a 3, with someone else to cover. 

 

Part of this problem is dropping too deep, the easy option to play with no pressure on the ball and leaves gaps for the opposition to walk through. Needs to be braver and affect the game much further up the pitch. I believe he's hiding a bit at the moment, needs to take more responsibility and that tackle at the end of the Lutin game was a disgrace, sums up his attitude at the moment. 

 

He is however a very good player, no doubt about that but the puzzle is, do we set up to accommodate him in the hope he does something, or set up to suit the other players we have.

 

That said, I think Luongo is our most influential midfielder right now, in an area of the pitch which is painfully weak. 

Since he’s been here, Luongo has either been injured or suspended. Again, when players don’t play for Sheffield Wednesday, they achieve legendary status. 

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25 minutes ago, GerOwl said:

I agree that we looked far more balanced without him in the midfield. No-one had to give it to Bannan which is what normally happens. Once the finger pointing, pirouetting started that was it. At one point he was at CB with both Iorfa and Börner further forward.

 

I wouldn't call Swift an anchor man but I thought he played that role wonderfully yesterday.

Swift was MOTM yesterday, and you can see why Wilder wanted to sign him in the summer. 

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@Kraschenbern good post but two issues imo.

 

First, I think you are wrong about Bannan being a left-sided player. You are referring to the early Carlos years. You are wrong about Lee-Hutch being a better midfield two. It never looked balanced because Bannan played way too narrow as a LM leaving us totally unbalanced. But more importantly, our results (ultimately the only measure) were better with Bannan central.

 

Second, what would you do now? Luongo is injured. Reach is injured. Hutch is persona non gratis. Bannan doesn’t pick the formation. If we play a central two, do you really think Bannan shouldn’t start? Joey-Lee? Windass-Lee?

 

I think fans are kicking out in desperation. Hardly surprising after the latest ten games of utter dross. But if we go back to basics and play our best players in their best positions we should start to see a way out.

 

For me, right now, it has to be Bannan-Lee if Monk wants a two, or Bannan-Lee-Windass when Monk wants a three.

 

That said, I think and hope it won’t be Monk from tomorrow morning.

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4 minutes ago, vulva said:

Bannan is a class act, especially at this level. However he does suffer from ‘playing’. Various players, Lee, Hutchinson, Westwood, FF turn into world beaters the minute they either get injured, dropped or sent to train with the kids. 

 

When Bannan was revered on here a few years ago, he had better players behind him, alongside him and in front of him. Loovens and Westwood were solid, Hunt and Pudil could bomb, Hutchinson, Lopez, Lee, Wallace et al were flying, and he looked up and had options finding space with Hooper, FF and Fletcher. 

 

Bannan looks around now and has got a Dawson shanking it into the North Stand, a kid at fullback, Pellupessy alongside him and a big lad up front. 

 

Bannan is the very least of our problems, but is a very convenient scapegoat. He’d would have been better off getting injured, or hiding. He’s very rarely done either in his career here, and I maintain that in terms of value etc, he’s one of our best ever signings. 


Brilliant. Couldn’t agree more.

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3 minutes ago, vulva said:

Since he’s been here, Luongo has either been injured or suspended. Again, when players don’t play for Sheffield Wednesday, they achieve legendary status. 

I appreciate that, not saying he's a superstar by any means, but of what we have I think we struggle more when he's not involved than any other midfielder right now.

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1 hour ago, Kraschenbern said:

I really wish he was one of the players who's contracts were up in the summer.  I know a lot won't agree with me, but I genuinely believe him playing how/where he currently plays is our biggest issue from an on field viewpoint.  A player in that ball playing, making it tick, quarterback, whatever you wanna call it roll, should have the ability to control the game.  He does that, in our own third.  Great.   I'm just gonna come out with it, the main reason I've not renewed my season ticket is that I'm sick of seeing Barry Bannan being ineffective pretty much every week.  He's a central midfielder who has maybe one central midfield quality.  Thats it.  Until he's replaced we ain't going anywhere.  We failed when he was more effective on the left and K Lee was a far better CM then than Bannan ever has/will be.  there is no reality where Bannan is CM where we get out of this division. 

I can't believe what I've just read. You have some good and some bad points regarding BB but to use him as an excuse not to renew your season ticket!. So if BB goes, you'll renew even though there are other overrated and underperforming players?

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3 hours ago, Kraschenbern said:

Here goes.... this probably ain't gonna be very popular.

 

I have no doubt that Bannan has his qualities.  He's a "tidy" footballer.  But he is the most overrated Wednesday player in my lifetime (I'm 39).  First thing people will say is that he is our best player for assists and is top ten for that stat in this league.  However, as anyone who's studied mathematics will tell you, stats are easily manipulated.  How good would those stats be if we took set pieces out of the equation, or compared assists to say, minutes on the pitch, or touches of the ball.  Probably wouldn't be so impressive.

 

I'm saying this because, people around me got very excited when he came on today.  But the reality is, in my opinion, he's our biggest problem from a tactical point of view.

 

The Bannan people remember, and rightly so, as one of our best players, was not playing central midfield.  He was on the left, tucking in.  Our central pairing, when Bannan was at his best, was Lee and Hutch. Lee provided movement, forward passing, short passing, triangles, goals, and some defensive qualities.  Hutch provided steel.  And is decent enough in possession.  Bannan offers very few of these qualities.  People say play him next to a beast, it wouldn't make a difference.  He is not a central midfielder.  If anything he should play in the hole behind a lone striker.

 

Pellepussy for all his limitations was no less effective than Bannan today, in fact he's probably more effective cos at least he offers something when we're not in possession.  Bannan does not.

 

If Bannan plays, for me he has to be in a three, and he needs to be the most advanced of the three.  One thing we've not seen in a while IIRC is Lee and Hutch together.  I know Hutch is probably not gonna get picked anytime soon and Lee is no where near his best, but surely those two as a central pairing on paper, would scare the opposition more than Bannan and anyone else.

 

For me Bannan has never been a central midfielder.  I would love to see him on the left, and Hutch and Lee in the middle again, and probably Murphy/Reach on the right.  That is a good midfield with balance.  While ever Bannan is in central midfield we will lack balance.

 

Not saying he's terrible.  But for three seasons I've been saying this and honestly it's driving me a bit nuts.  I used to play anchor in my youth in midfield, at what would now be called an academy, I had three qualities, I could pass, I could shoot from distance, and I could tackle.  Bannan has one of those qualities.  (I'm not saying I was a better footballer than Barry, my mum might argue I was tho ;) )

 

The best thing Monk did today was not start Bannan.  As soon as  he came on, we were immediately 20 yards deeper, his first touch of the game was about level with our Iorfa and Borner.  

 

Again I'm not saying he's a bad footballer.  He is overrated tho, and has never been a starting CM in a two, he just doesn't have the range of abilities required.  

 

What I'd give right now for a K. Lee from 3 years ago.

 

Games are won and lost in central midfield, Bannan would not get in 75% of this divisions central midfield pairings.  

 

Obviously there is a lot more wrong than just this issue.  But I really do believe while ever we continue with him in central midfield we won't progress.  I'd sell him 

We have very little creativity as it is. Dropping Barry Bannan in the current situation is lunacy. Bannan's problem is the lack of quality around him at the moment. Fletcher's injury has had a big impact.

 

He should have played from the start yesterday and he should have been told he's captain until the end of the season.

 

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