Does Monk have what it takes to be a manager

[Ante's Bubbly]

19 hours ago, ponym110 said:

I agree Mr F, that's why i'm not really sure about Monk. 

 

He's not been given a chance but i'm just wondering if a more experienced Manager would and could have dealt better with the situation.

 

Personally I'm starting to think Bully may be part of the problems, most likely unintentionally but we need a major overhaul.

 

 

You may well be right. Intentionally or not, having to work closely with somebody at the club that wanted the job although he had said previously that he was not ready for it, is not ideal is it. Especially when Bully palled up with the troublemakers last time a manager was sacked.

 

Another way of looking at it would be that Monk needs all the help he can get and having somebody as your right handman that is already on friendly terms with the players can be useful, as long as Bully is not part of the problem. If he is it could be, "et tu Bully", time. 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Ante's Bubbly

[kobayashi]

He’s got a nice gillet and a “project”.

Surely it doesn’t get any more “modern manager” than that...

Edited February 16, 2020 by kobayashi

[BrucieBonus]

19 hours ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

Not sure how we can hope for a director of football, when DC won't even allow Monk to bring in his own coaching team.

 

I think that's been pretty scandalous to be honest. It's a big job, and to tell him his coaches can't come, and all he can have is Bully was foolish.

It’s incomprehensible, Monk has not been given the tools to do the job, we needed a clear out of all the back room staff including Bullen, we needed a fresh approach and for Monk not to be allowed his team in was a huge footballing mistake, something we’re getting used to and a question the Chairman needs to answer. 

[legendaryswan]

To say we have two defenders as manager and assistant our defence is an absolute shambles,sides (and poor sides at that) are just ripping holes in it and Dawsons copping all the flak but hes getting hopelessly exposed.

If these two are the dream team,they need to get to grips with this and sort it NOW!

 

 

[Dick_Turpin]

36 minutes ago, kobayashi said:

He’s got a nice gillet and a “project”.

Surely it doesn’t get any more “modern manager” than that...

The group are letting him down though. 

[Westfield Owl]

I made my feelings very clear when Monk was (let's be honest, reluctantly) hired in September.

• He's bounced around several clubs in only a few years & got sacked from his last 2 jobs in the last 2 seasons.
• Never lasts very long anywhere.
• Never been promoted as a manager, or even made the playoffs.
• Plays Wimbledon-esque football.
• Bottle job at Leeds in 2017; he fell asleep at the wheel there and they (hilariously) capitulated.  Finished outside the playoffs - despite having a good team & a 30-goal striker in Wood.
• Spunked away a fortune at Boro; pretty much blew their parachute payment in one transfer window.  Boro's finances are only just starting to recover from Monk's spell there.
• And then there were the allegations over transfers.

Not exactly the sort of character you'd want at your club IMO.  And his results at Wednesday speak for themselves.

• 1 win in 10 league games.
• 10 goals scored in 14 games at Hillsborough since Monk's appointment.
• Decent players banished from the first team and made to train with the kids.
• We've conceded the highest amount of goals after 90 minutes in the division.  A habit that has cost us points throughout the season.
• Changing the defence, midfield and team formation every game.  It's February FFS - we should have a settled team by this point in the season.
• Publically criticised players to the media, to cover up his own failings.
• Team spirit ripped apart.
• His interviews are like car crashes.  It probably shouldn't matter but PR is so important in the modern age.
• Jury is still out on the January signings but I've a feeling we may have made 3 x bad signings, whilst also neglecting areas of the squad that did need strengthening.

DC has made yet another c0ck-up here.  But at least he only gave him a 12 month contract, so Monk will be relatively cheap to pay off when he's sacked.

 

I know that Monk is not the main reason for our plight but he certainly isn't the answer either.  He should be replaced as soon as a decent candidate has been sounded out IMO.

[Socialist_Owl]

6 hours ago, trevdi9 said:

He fell out with Pep and Beaty is still under contract ,bruce was allowed his backroom staff ,so who knows ,

 

1 hour ago, Westfield Owl said:

I made my feelings very clear when Monk was (let's be honest, reluctantly) hired in September.

• He's bounced around several clubs in only a few years & got sacked from his last 2 jobs in the last 2 seasons.
• Never lasts very long anywhere.
• Never been promoted as a manager, or even made the playoffs.
• Plays Wimbledon-esque football.
• Bottle job at Leeds in 2017; he fell asleep at the wheel there and they (hilariously) capitulated.  Finished outside the playoffs - despite having a good team & a 30-goal striker in Wood.
• Spunked away a fortune at Boro; pretty much blew their parachute payment in one transfer window.  Boro's finances are only just starting to recover from Monk's spell there.
• And then there were the allegations over transfers.

Not exactly the sort of character you'd want at your club IMO.  And his results at Wednesday speak for themselves.

• 1 win in 10 league games.
• 10 goals scored in 14 games at Hillsborough since Monk's appointment.
• Decent players banished from the first team and made to train with the kids.
• We've conceded the highest amount of goals after 90 minutes in the division.  A habit that has cost us points throughout the season.
• Changing the defence, midfield and team formation every game.  It's February FFS - we should have a settled team by this point in the season.
• Publically criticised players to the media, to cover up his own failings.
• Team spirit ripped apart.
• His interviews are like car crashes.  It probably shouldn't matter but PR is so important in the modern age.
• Jury is still out on the January signings but I've a feeling we may have made 3 x bad signings, whilst also neglecting areas of the squad that did need strengthening.

DC has made yet another c0ck-up here.  But at least he only gave him a 12 month contract, so Monk will be relatively cheap to pay off when he's sacked.

 

I know that Monk is not the main reason for our plight but he certainly isn't the answer either.  He should be replaced as soon as a decent candidate has been sounded out IMO.

Bottle job at Leeds?  He did extraordinarily well at that cesspool. Sainted coaching legend Bielsa has yet to do more himself there.

[Paul..]

13 hours ago, A E Neuman NYowl said:

I don't think Monk has got what it takes.

 

He came in and we played more or less the same system and players that Bullen was using. Although I did think he improved out dead ball delivery and ideas.

 

Now the bad stuff.

 

Every football manager has to cope with injuries to key players, but so far Monk has not shown any ability to work around any injuries.

Every football manager has to deal with difficult players, unless you are confident that they are not needed you don't just freeze them out, sadly he has failed again.

Every football manager needs to use every transfer window to address shortcomings in the team, again he has not done this. The players he has brought in have been shoehorned into his system and look worse than what we had. The one area where we are absolutely desperate for cover is midfield and he didn't address this problem.

Every football manager has to try to get improvements out of his players, again nearly all of the players look much worse than they did when he took over.

 

Nail on head sir, couldn't put it any better myself.

[Big Jack]

I think we cannot really make an assessment on any  manager when we need a complete clear out of backroom staff and players

 

This season is a right off , just hope we can survive in this league until season ends then start again

 

No manager worth his salt will want to work with backroom staff they have not selected themselves, which is probably why Monk 

 

got the job in the first place.

 

 

[Tracksuit]

3 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said:

 

Bottle job at Leeds?  He did extraordinarily well at that cesspool. Sainted coaching legend Bielsa has yet to do more himself there.

Bielsa has already achieved a higher league position?

 

He got them in the Play Off’s.

 

At the least he’ll manage that again this year.

 

Monks Leeds team blobbed out of the top 6 entirely?

[billyblack]

On 16/02/2020 at 05:04, Mr Farrell said:

 

True.

 

Apparently DC struggled to find any manager of note to come in. Can't imagine why.

Wait till next time if last time was bad

[billyblack]

41 minutes ago, uɐıɹɐqɯıɹ⅁ said:

 

Nail on head sir, couldn't put it any better myself.

Monk isnt the only to fail to address midfield. That area hasnt been address for about 3 years

[gurujuan]

Unless we get away from that merry go round list of usual suspects, it will be more of the same Cr@p managers, who come in, and are found out almost immediately, before blaming previous regimes, and telling us that this will take half a dozen windows to sort out. It amazes me, how many people support that way of thinking, on here. 
What’s wrong with a coach coming in, working to improve the players, and establishing a progressive way of playing? Yes, in time, they can bring in a few of their own players, but we avoid wholesale changes every time we change a coach.

I guess the buck stops with DC, there is little continuity in his choice of coaches, though I’m sure those choices are made on the advice of others. I know it’s a cliche, but we have to get this next appointment right. The next man in will again have to manage on a reduced budget, for the next couple of years at least. That’s why it has to be someone who is used to working with players on the training ground. 

[Tyto Alba]

Really good managers get rid of problem players in their own time but use whatever playing assets they have got to the maximum.  Neither Jos nor Monk could do it.

[billyblack]

4 minutes ago, Tyto Alba said:

Really good managers get rid of problem players in their own time but use whatever playing assets they have got to the maximum.  Neither Jos nor Monk could do it.

Perhaps its DC fault for not moving them on.

 

Why did we offer Westwood a new 2 year deal if he was doing this with Jos?

[Tyto Alba]

A lot of players should have been moved on, but that's a different issue.  The fact is Monk can't manage the players he has inherited.  Top managers can do it.

[Eightace]

When we were third people were praising him.

So was he good and now bad?

I think he needs more time. Its hard to manage this squad. You've got players who get the rag on and others who are the most inconsistent players in this league.

He's done what we wanted, brought in some more attacking players and dropped the likes of bannan and reach who have been underperforming.

He's brought Forestieri back, brings in a young lad and who then lets him down. What can he really do until he gets rid of the wasters in the summer and brings in 3 or 4 players.

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by Eightace

[Eightace]

35 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Unless we get away from that merry go round list of usual suspects, it will be more of the same Cr@p managers, who come in, and are found out almost immediately, before blaming previous regimes, and telling us that this will take half a dozen windows to sort out. It amazes me, how many people support that way of thinking, on here. 
What’s wrong with a coach coming in, working to improve the players, and establishing a progressive way of playing? Yes, in time, they can bring in a few of their own players, but we avoid wholesale changes every time we change a coach.

I guess the buck stops with DC, there is little continuity in his choice of coaches, though I’m sure those choices are made on the advice of others. I know it’s a cliche, but we have to get this next appointment right. The next man in will again have to manage on a reduced budget, for the next couple of years at least. That’s why it has to be someone who is used to working with players on the training ground. 

Reason they support it is because they do need time.

The club is in a mess with ridiculously inconsistent players ,many of who don't have the right attitude or mentality to succeed.

We can keep changing managers till the cows come home. This bunch will not learn.

We have to let a manager over haul the whole team. Monk might not be the man for this but its harsh to expect anyone to improve players who just aren't good enough.

We need 5 or 6 out and 5 or 6 in. Until we do that we are mid table even with Klopp.

 

[billyblack]

30 minutes ago, Tyto Alba said:

A lot of players should have been moved on, but that's a different issue.  The fact is Monk can't manage the players he has inherited.  Top managers can do it.

we wont get a top manager without them being allowed to bring their coaching staff

[Mister Soul]

I genuinely don’t think he’s a bad manager. 
I do feel (like many) he didn’t realise how complex the situation at Hillsborough really is.

The more I think about the Bruce situation the more I think it’s apparent he’d worked out what a mess the club is behind the scenes. At the time I said he must be mad to leave us for Newcastle. 
For any club to succeed it has to have a structure built around understanding football.

We don’t have that.

Monk doesn’t even have his own coaches! Probably the most important part of the entire structure.

So no he’s not a bad manager. 
He just made a poor decision coming to Hillsborough