Mister Soul Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: All roads unfortunately lead to DC. True.. until his listens to people that understand the game we are on a continuous downward spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Indeed, it's a results business and you simply have to man manage the dressing room. Just been reading about Ian Holloway at Grimsby - when he joined at the end of December, their last win had been at the end of September. Since he joined, they have won 5, drawn 3 and lost 2, so a meaningful turnaround. Always liked him and would have liked to have seen him at Hillsborough - he's had 2 teams promoted from the Championship. Edited February 16, 2020 by Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I was reminded of it yesterday - I must have blotted it out of my mind- but the refusal to shake the Birmingham manager’s hand was a strange one. It’s a symbolic football ritual and not doing it seemed extraordinarily petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Results say otherwise but it may not be his fault. I said decent, not amazing, and in the context of the season circumstances. Sounds like you expected a lot more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, slinger208b said: I said decent, not amazing, and in the context of the season circumstances. Sounds like you expected a lot more... I don’t expect much but I didn’t expect to be tonked at home by Blackburn and Reading, be outplayed by Barnsley and lose to Wigan and Luton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 He hasn’t done anything that Bullen wasn’t doing, so what was the point in appointing him He’s dull, and his football is dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Wicket Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: It's a big question that needs asking. Why has Monk not been allowed to bring his coaches in ? Why is Bully, part of numerous failed regimes, still a key part of a failed coaching set up ? Agreed, Bruce brought his 2 mates with him. Could be the only way to keep us up might be to sack the coaching staff and let Monk bring his own staff and freshen things up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 53 minutes ago, rickygoo said: I don’t expect much but I didn’t expect to be tonked at home by Blackburn and Reading, be outplayed by Barnsley and lose to Wigan and Luton. Interesting that all the matches you have focussed on are defeats. So you expected all of the wins? This is why I think the season should be seen as a whole, results won’t always go as expected, for or against, so is there any point in dissecting it all?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, slinger208b said: Interesting that all the matches you have focussed on are defeats. So you expected all of the wins? This is why I think the season should be seen as a whole, results won’t always go as expected, for or against, so is there any point in dissecting it all?.. It’s not just about results, although it soon may well be What we should be seeing now, is us trying to perfect Monk’s way of playing We are seeing no such thing, tactics, if there are any, are all over the place, leaving the players concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, slinger208b said: Interesting that all the matches you have focussed on are defeats. So you expected all of the wins? This is why I think the season should be seen as a whole, results won’t always go as expected, for or against, so is there any point in dissecting it all?.. Even the wins were flipping boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_wells Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: It's a big question that needs asking. Why has Monk not been allowed to bring his coaches in ? Why is Bully, part of numerous failed regimes, still a key part of a failed coaching set up ? On that basis people could argue that Steven Fletcher is part of numerous failed campaigns - yet we'd have him starting every game if possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaikanaeOwl Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 All these criticisms, that he is tactically naive, doesn’t have a plan B etc were levelled at him at Swansea and Middlesbrough. Gibson sacked him as the team were in a bit of disarray having spent a fortune too. I am seriously worried that this has all the hallmarks of another manager about to bite the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: Not sure how we can hope for a director of football, when DC won't even allow Monk to bring in his own coaching team. I think that's been pretty scandalous to be honest. It's a big job, and to tell him his coaches can't come, and all he can have is Bully was foolish. Particularly as one of the common denominators in our stale existence over the last 3 seasons is Bullen. I like the man but I don’t see him as dynamic enough to be a no 2. He seems to exist in a comfort zone with some of our senior players. Does he get the best out of them, or is he just there to put his arm round them when things aren’t going well. We’re regularly saying there’s no leaders in the pitch, I don't think there are many leaders at the club. Another example of DC’s inability to see what’s in front of him. As for Monk not having his own staff - did he join us knowing that ? Take it or leave it - it took a while to get a new manager in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, davey_wells said: On that basis people could argue that Steven Fletcher is part of numerous failed campaigns - yet we'd have him starting every game if possible Nice try Bully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: Particularly as one of the common denominators in our stale existence over the last 3 seasons is Bullen. I like the man but I don’t see him as dynamic enough to be a no 2. He seems to exist in a comfort zone with some of our senior players. Does he get the best out of them, or is he just there to put his arm round them when things aren’t going well. We’re regularly saying there’s no leaders in the pitch, I don't think there are many leaders at the club. Another example of DC’s inability to see what’s in front of him. As for Monk not having his own staff - did he join us knowing that ? Take it or leave it - it took a while to get a new manager in place. I’m not particularly defending Bullen here, but our players usually respond better to encouragement, in fact most players will do. Rightly, or wrongly, modern players will not respond to coaches balling them out, even if it’s what we think is needed. Better the Carlos/Bruce approach, where players encouraged to buy nto the coaches ideas. Edited February 16, 2020 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: so regardless of who’s in charge you are happy with performances and our form and league position then ? This topic is about Monk, so feel free to track back the conversation that includes the comment you quoted for my opinion instead of isolating points that aren’t relevant and taking them out of context... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, gurujuan said: I’m not particularly defending Bullen here, but our players usually respond better to encouragement, in fact most players will do. Rightly, or wrongly, modern players will not respond to coaches balling them out, even if it’s what we think is needed. Better the Carlos/Bruce approach, where players encouraged to buy nto the coaches ideas. I disagree with what you are saying, but who knows whether Monk has tried that or not (I’d hope so), and we should remember that when Monk first came, the team we’re productive. I can’t believe that any fall outs are purely down to Monk. FF has been a divisive character on here, so I imagine there’s a big element of that in the dressing room. If he’s chosen to manage others out, it’s his decision to make. Too often the tail has wagged the dog in this squad, and it seems to have resurfaced again. There maybe an element of some know that they are coming to the end of their time here and have chucked it in. Which comes back to your point about modern players. When an employee gets a pay rise 2 months after refusing to work, the employer is exposed to more of the same. DC seems to have learnt his lessons in the wrong order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: I disagree with what you are saying, but who knows whether Monk has tried that or not (I’d hope so), and we should remember that when Monk first came, the team we’re productive. I can’t believe that any fall outs are purely down to Monk. FF has been a divisive character on here, so I imagine there’s a big element of that in the dressing room. If he’s chosen to manage others out, it’s his decision to make. Too often the tail has wagged the dog in this squad, and it seems to have resurfaced again. There maybe an element of some know that they are coming to the end of their time here and have chucked it in. Which comes back to your point about modern players. When an employee gets a pay rise 2 months after refusing to work, the employer is exposed to more of the same. DC seems to have learnt his lessons in the wrong order. Well I won’t comment on the Forestieri situation. As you say, it’s Monk’s decision to make, but believe me, it will only end one way. Whether modern players have too much power, probably yes, but Monk’s way has little chance of working, especially if he’s not backing it up with results Even for a successful manager like Mourinho, the minute he starts falling out with players, it all falls apart, and he’s a gonner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: True. Apparently DC struggled to find any manager of note to come in. Can't imagine why. He brought Bruce and I guess you blame DC for him walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 hours ago, OughtibridgeOwl said: How many managers would go to a club knowing they won’t be allowed to bring in their team? im sure it’s not many depends if you're outa work and think the money might come in handy. also it'll not reflect badly on your cv as you could say you were at swfc under dc and the footballing world say 'AH! I see'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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