WalthamOwl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, sibon said: Just wait till 3am. Batshit statement from DC offering 1000 year Kop tickets in solid gold seats. Coupled with the signing of Jamie Vardy and an unknown Romanian keeper. I’d take that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1981 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, Owls-Fan said: I’d rather we played 3-4-1-2 like Wolves did in this league and have the wide players responsible for creating chances as well as defending. If we are going to rely on Brown (Injured) and Bannan to create most of our chances then we are going to have a lot of similar games this season (draws and narrow defeats). I'd go along with that. Although Wolves did have some good players like Neves and Jota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, cowl said: And how many of those 100 games has Reach played as a wing-back? This isn't really about Penney though. It's about seeing whether Reach has something to offer in the role of left wing back; he ought to be able to do because there's something of a natural fit there. Should it not work out, I've no doubt Penney will get another shot at it, but if/when he does, he quite simply has to take his chance. I believe in Penney actually, I know he's got some good qualities, but he's got to get his head in the right place when he starts games. Reach got 40 chances last season and didn't took them. Yet he keeps getting them all the time. He got it at right wing, central midfield, etc... If he fails again lets try him at center back as well... Some players get all the chances, some very little. Reach is poor defender and can't get up and down the flank as position require. Luhukay played him at LWB and he did little. With Penney in our team we played some top high pressing as soon as he came off against Watford we dropped it and never tried it again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, cowl said: Wing-backs are primarily offensive players though, even if like all outfield players they'll also have a responsibility when it comes to defending, but even then it's often as much about them keeping shape rather than going in full Julian Dicks on the opposition. Last season when we started putting Murphy at wing-back he was our shining light—and that absolutely wasn't for his defending, because, after all, when it came to a tackle he's in the same bracket as Reach for that. For now, I'm more than happy to see Reach get an extended run at LWB. If his first game for us there were an audition, creating as he did our only goal, you'd surely at least be calling him back for a second reading? Penney, on the other hand, failed to really take his chance. And again, as if to reiterate that a wing-back's raison d'être is as an offensive player first and foremost, it wasn't on account of any woeful defending that he's found himself back with the 23's, but rather because of his wastefulness in the final third; his crossing was extremely poor (and I know he can do much, much better). Of course, should any wing-back prove to be calamitous in any defending they're called on to do, then I'd expect they'd find themselves out of the team also, unless, maybe if they're contributions at the other end of the pitch are such that the pros still outweigh the cons. Some really good points there Re Murphy though, excellent player though he was for us, but can we just clear this up He didn’t get 9 goals from wing back, as many claim, in fact only three came when he was named in that position, three when he was in as an orthodox winger, and three from the bench, when he operated as a winger, and had a wing back behind him Edited October 13, 2020 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Bloxwich Owl said: He's a better bet than Flint. At the right wages I'd take him back. Might have a better chance of finding form here than at QPR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Some really good points there Re Murphy though, excellent player though he was for us, but can we just clear this up He didn’t get 9 goals from wing back, as many claim, in fact only three came when he was named in that position, three when he was in as an orthodox winger, and three from the bench, when he operated as a winger, and had a wing back behind him No problem, but I don't believe I have claimed that anyway—in fact, I didn't characterise his contributions in terms of the number of goals he scored, as my own view was that he looked our most likely outlet full stop. The goals he scored were a bonus, albeit a hugely important one given the shortage of goals from elsewhere in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick70 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Murphy got 3 in 12 games from wing back end of season, not a bad return to say he a winger? Think reach as it in him to get a few through season playing wingback and I’m certain he’ll create more than harris who consistently turns back inside when playing on the left which gives the defence more time to regroup? Think harris will do better on the right his natural side in that role . Playing reach there will give him the opportunity to get ball across quickly like qpr and give us more chance of scoring? I’d agree that if monk had planned to play this way 2 new wingbacks would probably be needed you’d av thought? Anyway we signed anyone yet? Last min deadline day chaos looming again for all the clubs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 34 minutes ago, malek said: Reach got 40 chances last season and didn't took them. Yet he keeps getting them all the time. He got it at right wing, central midfield, etc... If he fails again lets try him at center back as well... Some players get all the chances, some very little. Reach is poor defender and can't get up and down the flank as position require. Luhukay played him at LWB and he did little. With Penney in our team we played some top high pressing as soon as he came off against Watford we dropped it and never tried it again. I'm far from convinced the co-occurrence of Penney being on the pitch and our better play being anything other than a coincidence though. When Penney came on against Walsall in the league cup, that was different because our better play was clearly coming directly from him. When the better play isn't coming directly from the player in question, or at least with that player being centrally involved, then it seems to me to be far more likely down to a coincidence, albeit an interesting one. The same being quite probably true of Penney's time with St. Pauli. I actually made a point to watch his games when I could, and yes the correspondence of good results and Penney's presence in the side has a factual basis, but from what I saw, I'm hard pressed to conclude there was a causal link between the two. Penney has ability. I don't doubt it. But when he's started this season and got himself into a good position, his crossing was really very poor. Uncharacteristically so, maybe, but yet he consistently failed to beat even the first man almost each time. It was strange in fact, almost like he just wasn't focusing on what he was doing. Consistently flat crossing from a wing-back is a capital offence as far as I'm concerned in a wing-back system. I don't know why his crosses kept going in like that, but either way, I've no doubt it's why he's found himself out of the team again. He has to learn from it because it's quite simply not good enough. As for Reach, his poor form last season is well-documented, and I doubt anyone's going to try to claim he played well last season. But then again, the discussion now is about who should be playing LWB, given the fact that we're playing a 3-5-2, and last season, albeit one of Reach's appearances were in a position other than LWB. I'm not trying to argue the case for Reach on account of his defensive qualities because you don't pick a wing-back for their defensive qualities, unless all other considerations are identical and only defending separates two rivals for a position. It's at the other end of the pitch where you expect Reach to be making a difference, and it was his play out wide that got us the goal against QPR. I don't think it technically counts as an assist since it was an own goal, but it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me to acknowledge it as such, and besides, it's precisely the kind of play you want to see from your wing backs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, malek said: Reach played over 100 games for us, Penney played 15 in 3 years. You expect consistency without giving player fair run in the team. If anything we played our best football this season with him in our starting 11. So far we got 4 points in games where he started, 1 when he didn't. Last season St Pauli won 3 times more points in games he started than in games where he didn't. The common denominator being Jos and Monk. Very similar managers with very similar records regardless of what their supporters may say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 It’s a no brainier for me teach at left back it’s his best position and given a run of games there instead of throwing him everywhere on the pitch I think he will be one of our most consistent performers reaches balls in the box from out left is as good as any in this league I think we’re trying to put a square peg in a round hole when we’ve already got the round peg reach is and always has been a left sided player he can fill in on the right cover centrally ( not very influential or great imo ) hes no striker play the guy on the left he’s by far our best left sided player with the best left foot in the club and it’s a natural position for him in a suited formation no brainier for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, wilyfox said: Swansea in for Harry Wilson ffs Read that Swansea; Cardiff, Forest, Norwich and Derby are after him on loan. Derby are believed to be the front runners, after his previous loan there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Cardiff are believed to be after Cauley Woodrow of Barnsley - Via Wales Online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, malek said: Reach played over 100 games for us, Penney played 15 in 3 years. You expect consistency without giving player fair run in the team. If anything we played our best football this season with him in our starting 11. So far we got 4 points in games where he started, 1 when he didn't. Last season St Pauli won 3 times more points in games he started than in games where he didn't. You’re exaggerating his influence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, SwellOwl said: PL clubs were sniffing, doubt they will get him. can’t sign for a prem club this window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, wilyfox said: can’t sign for a prem club this window Didn’t West Ham sign the lad from Bournemouth yesterday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s29wfc Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, hugeowl said: Didn’t West Ham sign the lad from Bournemouth yesterday Prem teams can buy from the championship but prem teams can't do business with each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 hours ago, wilyfox said: can’t sign for a prem club this window Someone needs to sell the dream of him putting on a plate for Paterson then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Been linked again with Dion Sanderson in the Daily Mail. Us and Cardiff both after him. Says we could move for Flint if Sanderson goes to Cardiff https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8837047/Wolves-defender-Dion-Sanderson-target-Cardiff-City-Sheffield-Wednesday.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, 0114 said: Been linked again with Dion Sanderson in the Daily Mail. Us and Cardiff both after him. Says we could move for Flint if Sanderson goes to Cardiff https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8837047/Wolves-defender-Dion-Sanderson-target-Cardiff-City-Sheffield-Wednesday.html One is young, quick, and able to play full back, wing back and centre back, thus able to cover any short term need in the centre of the defence. The other is er....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, gurujuan said: One is young, quick, and able to play full back, wing back and centre back, thus able to cover any short term need in the centre of the defence. The other is er....... I just don't get the flint links I think it's probably paper talk, we barely have a lot to puss in and we are going to sign a defender cost £6m last season in a position we already have 6 players in. Strikers strikers strikers the only position needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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