Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, gurujuan said: If we aren’t spending money, then players like Windass, and sadly, Holland, will be beyond us. Personally I don’t rate Windass as a striker, and I wasn’t keen on wasting a fee on him Guess if it’s down to frees, it will be the likes of Bennett, plus perhaps half a dozen loanees Think Holland has 2yrs left at West Ham, perhaps a loan may be possible - if they aren't relegated and make use of him themselves. Think Bennett penned a contract extension before heading to Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldishowl said: Premiership loanees don’t come free though You'd think Brewster & Nketiah were paid for in skittles the way people speak about signing such likes. They'll both likely be in the prem next season, so who does that leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 23 hours ago, S70 Owl said: Realistically i can only see 16 players from the current squad being around at the start of next season/in the match day squads. There are areas we desperately need cover for .... Goalkeepers: Joe wildsmith Cameron Dawson Kieran Westwood - as we know will most likely leave Need a back up - be able to get one on a free Defenders: Liam Palmer Dom Iorfa Julian Borner Matt Penney (option to work in the new system we're play with the wing backs) Moses Odubajo - Monk said he could go earlier in the season so that's a tricky one Tom Lees - days may be numbered Fox - Gone JVA - will be frozen out, or loaned new centre half and a left back needed if not more Midfielders: Kadeem Harris Joey Pelupessy (sigh) Bannan Adam Reach - i don't know why, but i have a feeling he'll leave for a couple million Luongo Hunt - obviously has huge potential, a league 1 loan would be great for him Hutch - Gone Lee - Gone 2 maybe 3 needed in this department - seen a few mention him but jackson irvine would suit, Ben Whiteman from Donny is one i'd look to sign good age at 23 Strikers: Fletcher - Gone Nuhiu - to go FF - gone winnall - gone Rhodes - may even go, especially if he bangs a couple in at least 3 needed, i dont even know who to suggest - but hopefully 3 different kinds ... mainly pace and direct Even tho we dont have many players left there is still quite a few to move on IMO: Goalkeepers: Joe Wildsmith - Keep new contract Cameron Dawson - Keep Kieran Westwood - Go Paul Jones - Keep new contract 1 year Defenders: Liam Palmer - Go Dom Iorfa - Keep - new contract Julian Borner - Keep Matt Penney - Keep new contract Moses Odubajo - Keep Tom Lees - Go JVA - Go Midfielders: Kadeem Harris - Keep Joey Pelupessy - Go but we already know hes staying Bannan - Keep new contract Adam Reach - Keep new contract Luongo - Keep Hunt - Keep new contract Lee - Keep new contract 1 year Strikers: Nuhiu - Keep new contract 1 year Rhodes - Go So obviously there is still a massive job to be done out as well as in, but we have to start thinking about contracts as we cant be affording to lose more players for nothing next summer. We should have been getting money for players that have gone for nothing, we cant continue so with the likes of Bannan and Reach even if we are looking to move them on we need to get them on new contracts so we can get a fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, wilyfox said: You'd think Brewster & Nketiah were paid for in skittles the way people speak about signing such likes. They'll both likely be in the prem next season, so who does that leave? Plus the big clubs are looking to place their better youngsters with clubs who play a certain way The thing is, if there is no real budget, we are looking at players who are free, and not frees who would command compensation. As for loanees, yes the top youngsters will be beyond us, for the reasons already outlined, ditto more experienced players who will command higher wages, which the parent club subsidise Basically our best chance will be take on youngsters who the bigger clubs want to out for experience, and whose wages would be subsidised Edited June 30, 2020 by gurujuan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: Plus the big clubs are looking to place their better youngsters with clubs who play a certain way The is, if there is no real budget, we are looking at players who are free, and not frees who would command a compensation.As for loanees, yes the top youngsters will be beyond us, for the reasons outlined, ditto more experienced players who will command higher wages, which the parent club subsidise Basically our best chance will be take on youngsters who the bigger clubs want to out for experience, and whose wages would be subsidised Who fits that bill in terms of young strikers? Garner would be a great loan addition in midfield. Whom should the club be targeting up top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S70 Owl Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Even tho we dont have many players left there is still quite a few to move on IMO: Goalkeepers: Joe Wildsmith - Keep new contract Cameron Dawson - Keep Kieran Westwood - Go Paul Jones - Keep new contract 1 year Defenders: Liam Palmer - Go Dom Iorfa - Keep - new contract Julian Borner - Keep Matt Penney - Keep new contract Moses Odubajo - Keep Tom Lees - Go JVA - Go Midfielders: Kadeem Harris - Keep Joey Pelupessy - Go but we already know hes staying Bannan - Keep new contract Adam Reach - Keep new contract Luongo - Keep Hunt - Keep new contract Lee - Keep new contract 1 year Strikers: Nuhiu - Keep new contract 1 year Rhodes - Go So obviously there is still a massive job to be done out as well as in, but we have to start thinking about contracts as we cant be affording to lose more players for nothing next summer. We should have been getting money for players that have gone for nothing, we cant continue so with the likes of Bannan and Reach even if we are looking to move them on we need to get them on new contracts so we can get a fee. time for Nuhiu to move on, can't keep sticking with the same players ... need to start refreshing the squad every couple of years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, wilyfox said: Who fits that bill in terms of young strikers? Garner would be a great loan addition in midfield. Whom should the club be targeting up top? I’ve always thought it would be practically impossible to recruit 4 or 5 strikers with no budget, at this level anyway. It’s doable in League One, but in the championship, I don’t think so. Of course one way round this might be, to raise a budget by selling assets. That can be a slippery slope, if we end up selling the players most likely to keep us in the division. With such a threadbare squad, our options there are limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Even tho we dont have many players left there is still quite a few to move on IMO: Goalkeepers: Joe Wildsmith - Keep new contract Cameron Dawson - Keep Kieran Westwood - Go Paul Jones - Keep new contract 1 year Defenders: Liam Palmer - Go Dom Iorfa - Keep - new contract Julian Borner - Keep Matt Penney - Keep new contract Moses Odubajo - Keep Tom Lees - Go JVA - Go Midfielders: Kadeem Harris - Keep Joey Pelupessy - Go but we already know hes staying Bannan - Keep new contract Adam Reach - Keep new contract Luongo - Keep Hunt - Keep new contract Lee - Keep new contract 1 year Strikers: Nuhiu - Keep new contract 1 year Rhodes - Go So obviously there is still a massive job to be done out as well as in, but we have to start thinking about contracts as we cant be affording to lose more players for nothing next summer. We should have been getting money for players that have gone for nothing, we cant continue so with the likes of Bannan and Reach even if we are looking to move them on we need to get them on new contracts so we can get a fee. Why do you want Liam Palmer gone? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, gurujuan said: I’ve always thought it would be practically impossible to recruit 4 or 5 strikers with no budget, at this level anyway. It’s doable in League One, but in the championship, I don’t think so. Of course one way round this might be, to raise a budget by selling assets. That can be a slippery slope, if we end up selling the players most likely to keep us in the division. With such a threadbare squad, our options there are limited So, you can't name any? The glut of young cheap strikers doesn't exist. The notion we can just grab a handful of prem loanees and that'll sort us out, is a load of rubbish. If we manage one or two we'd have done very well - and they probably wouldn't be strikers - nor cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, wilyfox said: So, you can't name any? The glut of young cheap strikers doesn't exist. The notion we can just grab a handful of prem loanees and that'll sort us out, is a load of rubbish. If we manage one or two we'd have done very well - and they probably wouldn't be strikers - nor cheap. Exactly, it’s an impossible task, without raising some sort of budget We might get lucky with one freebie, but we won’t get by in the Championship with one decent striker It’s a friggin mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 out of the loop here but can we sign players to play from 1st July? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 56 minutes ago, gurujuan said: If we aren’t spending money, then players like Windass, and sadly, Holland, will be beyond us. Personally I don’t rate Windass as a striker, and I wasn’t keen on wasting a fee on him Guess if it’s down to frees, it will be the likes of Bennett, plus perhaps half a dozen loanees 4 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Exactly, it’s an impossible task, without raising some sort of budget We might get lucky with one freebie, but we won’t get by in the Championship with one decent striker It’s a friggin mess So, you admit this glut of potential loanees does not exist, but still think that should be our strategy anyway whilst turning your nose up at Windass & Martin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Players out of contract I think we should target:- GK - Darlow (depends on whether Wildsmith is seen as good enough now or not) CB - Ayala & Chester LB - Kingsley RB - Freeman DM - Colback CM - Irvine FW - Ward & Kachunga None would break the bank, although would think Ayala and Chester would be fairly high with wages, and all without a transfer fee. Edited June 30, 2020 by CalmJimmers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Bit of Hutchinson about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, wilyfox said: So, you admit this glut of potential loanees does not exist, but still think that should be our strategy anyway whilst turning your nose up at Windass & Martin? No, loanees do exist, they very much have to be part of our strategy. We might not be in the running for the likes of Brewster and Nketiah, but we need to show a bit of imagination here. Two of the best loanees in recent times were signed by Wigan, James and Robinson. Edited June 30, 2020 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said: No, loanees do exist, they very much have to be part of our strategy. We might not be in the running for the likes of Brewster and Nketiah, but we need to show a bit of imagination here. Two of the best loanees in recent times were signed by Wigan, James and Robinson. So, I ask once more... Who are these supposed striker loans we should target? You've named two full-backs to try and dodge the question, but it still remains. If you scoff at suggestions champ level, who are these imaginary strikers we should be after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, S70 Owl said: time for Nuhiu to move on, can't keep sticking with the same players ... need to start refreshing the squad every couple of years While i agree with you, are we gonna get anyone better whos happy to be a part of it as a fourth choice striker who comes on to change a game ?? We have lost a lot of voices in that dressing room think he could offer something for another year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, wilyfox said: So, I ask once more... Who are these supposed striker loans we should target? You've named two full-backs to try and dodge the question, but it still remains. If you scoff at suggestions champ level, who are these imaginary strikers we should be after? Wickham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Wickham? One year left on his contract. I'd have thought another loan unlikely in his case - same with Murphy. From a Palace perspective, use him or sell him should be their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, pazowl55 said: Why do you want Liam Palmer gone? I have wanted Liam Palmer gone for years and years never been good enough. Should have bought a new right back years ago and made Hunt back up getting rid of Palmer. Yes he has improved over the past couple of years. Yes he gives it his all but he is simply not good enough for a top 6 championship team. We have regressed that much people have forgotten how bad he is because we have had much worse. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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