malek Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, torryowl said: Long term deals for unproven players ....not sure that's good idea Very tricky and risky idea indeed. But as old saying goes, no risk no gain. Still it would be easier to get rid of 23 years old flop, then of one that is 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, malek said: Very tricky and risky idea indeed. But as old saying goes, no risk no gain. Still it would be easier to get rid of 23 years old flop, then of one that is 33. Not if the flop is on a long term contract it wouldnt ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggoisgod Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Royal_D said: Loads of interest in Fox dont see him staying that just cheered me right up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, torryowl said: Not if the flop is on a long term contract it wouldnt ..... Not sure about that mate. 23 years old is less likely to accept not playing at his age and ruining his career then 33 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, meggoisgod said: that just cheered me right up I’ll reserve those thoughts until I get eyes on who we can afford to replace him with Penney ? Hmm, not convinced Edited June 1, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieowl Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Can u believe it....all these teams supposedly after Fox. this time last year 95% of fans would have drove him elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 10 hours ago, gurujuan said: Do you think any punishment will apply only to next season? The EFL have suggested that it will be for this season, and various clubs have insisted that be the case Perhaps this virus may change the thinking? My point being prior to lock down we were in free fall, we maybe bottom 3 on merit by the close of the season and I can't see them lumping a points deduction on us if we are already down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 3 hours ago, malek said: Not sure about that mate. 23 years old is less likely to accept not playing at his age and ruining his career then 33 years old. we'll have to agree to differ then but i'm convinced that if you have a long term contract on say 6- 10 k a week and your a flop that you'll give up it to try and prove yourself somewhere else ...we are a middling 2nd division club and if you cant cut with us then its the lower divisions who'll maybe want you and that's going to be a very big drop in wages . ….log term contracts isn't the way to go . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, torryowl said: we'll have to agree to differ then but i'm convinced that if you have a long term contract on say 6- 10 k a week and your a flop that you'll give up it to try and prove yourself somewhere else ...we are a middling 2nd division club and if you cant cut with us then its the lower divisions who'll maybe want you and that's going to be a very big drop in wages . ….log term contracts isn't the way to go . All true, But I would find it even worst if we pay for talented youngster, give him 2 years deal and after one good season he gets atention of clubs higher up the chain. By that time he is already in last year of his contract and likely to walk away for nothing. We need to spot players before they make name for themselves in order to earn money on them if they prove good enough. It is hard to get good offer for player in last year of his contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, malek said: All true, But I would find it even worst if we pay for talented youngster, give him 2 years deal and after one good season he gets atention of clubs higher up the chain. By that time he is already in last year of his contract and likely to walk away for nothing. We need to spot players before they make name for themselves in order to earn money on them if they prove good enough. It is hard to get good offer for player in last year of his contract. its even harder to get a good offer on a player that's crap whos one year into a 4 year contract …...its a fine line ,i'm all for signing young players with potential but giving long contracts based on they might come good isn't the way to go ….. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, torryowl said: its even harder to get a good offer on a player that's crap whos one year into a 4 year contract …...its a fine line ,i'm all for signing young players with potential but giving long contracts based on they might come good isn't the way to go ….. Yes, but it is hard to build a good squad if all your players are on one and two years deals. Then again it is not like I'm saying lets go and sign 10 young inexperienced players on 5 years deal. However we should be aware of two or three that we would want to build around and make part of our long term plans. For all the crap work Chris Turner did here he got a good idea how he wanted to rebuild last time we had big chance to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, malek said: For all the crap work Chris Turner did here he got a good idea how he wanted to rebuild last time we had big chance to do it. he could spot a player i'll agree on that ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, torryowl said: he could spot a player i'll agree on that ….. He could, then again he released likes Quinn, Bromby and Geary while we were in League One and all 3 went to play Premiership football couple of years later. Not only that but by releasing Quinn we missed out on signing his brother Stephen. But I understand how important it was to get these players off our wage bill. We need to gamble bit more as going for proven players on high wages got us where we are. Preston signing Ben Pearson, Leicester likes of James and Drinkwater, Wathord Cuthart, Hull Brady, erc... should be our guideline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Nixon saying that Wigan may sell Windass to us as they’re wanting Ben Whiteman from Doncaster. Would see this as us missing a trick because Whiteman is exactly the player WE need to be after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 57 minutes ago, FlyingOwl said: Nixon saying that Wigan may sell Windass to us as they’re wanting Ben Whiteman from Doncaster. Would see this as us missing a trick because Whiteman is exactly the player WE need to be after. Agree 100% Creates, defends and scores goals. Complete centra midfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 In one way I’m really looking forward to the summer. Get a lot off the wage bill and do some good business in the transfer window. Definitely some good players available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 01/06/2020 at 21:30, malek said: For all the crap work Chris Turner did here he got a good idea how he wanted to rebuild last time we had big chance to do it. That's the risk managers take going down the unproven, hungry young players route for example. Look at our last two promotions - Sturrock got Turner's team promoted. Jones did the same with Megson's. It's a dangerous game for them personally to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I would hope that there would be the opportunity to bring in better than Windass Certainly wouldn’t want us to be paying a fee for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 What are our current thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 15:36, David Somni Jennings said: Am I right in thinking, Jordan Rhodes will be the only striker left on our books if we release everyone who is out of contract? Leaving Due to Loan Ending David Bates (on loan from Hamburger SV) Jacob Murphy (on loan from Newcastle United) Connor Wickham (on loan from Crystal Palace) Alessio Da Cruz (on loan from Parma) Josh Windass (on loan from Wigan) Contract Ending Steven Fletcher Fernando Forestieri Sam Winnall Sam Hutchinson Joey Pelupessy Morgan Fox Kieran Lee Atdhe Nuhiu Still in Contract Cameron Dawson Joe Wildsmith Keiren Westwood Paul Jones? Dominic Iorfa Joost van Aken (at VfL Osnabrück) Julian Börner Liam Palmer Tom Lees (captain) Moses Odubajo Adam Reach Barry Bannan (vice-captain) Kadeem Harris Massimo Luongo Matt Penney (at FC St. Pauli) Jordan Rhodes that’s tragic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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