Guest Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, wilyfox said: with Fox gone and JVA free to leave it’s inevitable we’ll sign a left-sided centre-half to compete with Börner, hence links with Liam Lindsay and now Jake Clarke-Salter. The latter made a very good impression at Brum last season. Stop talking sense, everyone knows we need 5 pacey strikers and a midfield beast through door not defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jonestown83 said: it’s quite easy to make certain players look good if you use their career stats they make Giles de bilde look like a world beater. most of his out of position games came early on in his career Whilst on loan in lower divisions hes utterly woeful here unless played on the left in a four man midfield. he falls into the same category as forestieri because of the one really good season we seem to forget he’s been terrible for the other 3 seasons and everyone wants to live in hope that he can get that form back for some reason we seem to want to shoe horn players into positions They can’t play rather then get rid and get someone who can actually play that position and build a team. weve tried him left wing back and left back awful central midfield even worse left midfield decent it looks like we aren’t going to play with a left midfielder so the obvious answer is get rid. Ok - so to surmise you think those stats make him look better as they are in lessor divisions? I've re done the stats to be just us and just championship: I haven't checked them all. but the ratio is fairly consistent. You've typed an awful lot to try and prove a point, unfortunately very little of what you typed is true. It's easy enough to check stats on players. Adam Reach whilst here has been carted about in so many positions, without grumbling either. In that time he averages a goal/assist more frequently than any other player at the club. Now whilst I get the "I know what my eyes tell me, dont need stats' mob like to say he's not very good, the fact that he creates more assists per 90 minutes than Barry Bannan, whilst also scoring a good chunk too, people still try to dig him out. Despite him having a bad season last time around, his averages still point to the fact he's a very good championship player, irrelevant of position he plays. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCityIsOurs Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, StudentOwl said: We're probably one of the most unappealing Champ clubs to come to right now. Our signings will reflect that. We're going to have to be reliant on getting in 3 really good loan signings... and they need to be more than making up the numbers, they will need to be among our very best players in the squad If we’re most unappealing club then why did Dunkley and Izzy choose us over other clubs.... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCityIsOurs Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Was just about to post this. What’s the obsession with centre backs when we are crying out for strikers and a keeper. Just because there’s no rumours or speculation doesn’t mean we’re not looking at strikers ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheCityIsOurs said: Just because there’s no rumours or speculation doesn’t mean we’re not looking at strikers ffs Strikers will either be in demand if freebie or will command decent fees so will take time. Playing 3-5-2 need 6 center halves. Also have to remember window open until October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ76 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheCityIsOurs said: Just because there’s no rumours or speculation doesn’t mean we’re not looking at strikers ffs Exactly this. Who knew we were in for Izzy Brown until it was reported he was having a medical?! I like this way of doing our business, therefore not letting other clubs know who we are after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, StudentOwl said: We're probably one of the most unappealing Champ clubs to come to right now. Our signings will reflect that. We're going to have to be reliant on getting in 3 really good loan signings... and they need to be more than making up the numbers, they will need to be among our very best players in the squad Really? wouldn't say that about Dunkley and Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, CJ76 said: Exactly this. Who knew we were in for Izzy Brown until it was reported he was having a medical?! I like this way of doing our business, therefore not letting other clubs know who we are after. Especially the one's who the player belongs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloxwich Owl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Preston North End target Jamal Lowe set to join Swansea City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonestown83 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, Philb125 said: Ok - so to surmise you think those stats make him look better as they are in lessor divisions? I've re done the stats to be just us and just championship: I haven't checked them all. but the ratio is fairly consistent. You've typed an awful lot to try and prove a point, unfortunately very little of what you typed is true. It's easy enough to check stats on players. Adam Reach whilst here has been carted about in so many positions, without grumbling either. In that time he averages a goal/assist more frequently than any other player at the club. Now whilst I get the "I know what my eyes tell me, dont need stats' mob like to say he's not very good, the fact that he creates more assists per 90 minutes than Barry Bannan, whilst also scoring a good chunk too, people still try to dig him out. Despite him having a bad season last time around, his averages still point to the fact he's a very good championship player, irrelevant of position he plays. I’m not arguing the fact he’s a decent championship left midfielder. my point is he’s terrible in any other position and the current suggestions around reach seem to be to just find him a spot whether he can play it or not. what the stats don’t show is the number of poor passes and weak tackles he’s put in whilst playing cm that allowed an opposition to break creating chances or that at left wing back he’s not defensively aware enough or quick enough to make up when he makes a mistake. if we go into the new season playing the wingback system he becomes obselete in that system he can’t play any of the positions required and we have much better options based on purely using your stats we should play him centre half because he’ll create assists doesn’t matter that he can’t play there and makes basic mistakes that a player who actually plays there doesn’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 47 minutes ago, Beauchief Owl said: It's quite rare for all three relegated clubs to do well in the Championship during their first season. In recent years several have finished in the bottom half. Think I read somewhere before that since parachute payments begun the average is for 2 clubs to go straight back up? In the current financial climate with the pandemic and shortened pre-season, parachute payments could be more of an advantage than ever? I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 2 or even all 3 of the clubs to go up next season to be among the several clubs receiving parachute payments. Brentford again have the best chance out of the non parachute payment clubs, due to their player sales and smart recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Is it possible for a club to break even without selling players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Just now, Jonestown83 said: I’m not arguing the fact he’s a decent championship left midfielder. my point is he’s terrible in any other position and the current suggestions around reach seem to be to just find him a spot whether he can play it or not. what the stats don’t show is the number of poor passes and weak tackles he’s put in whilst playing cm that allowed an opposition to break creating chances or that at left wing back he’s not defensively aware enough or quick enough to make up when he makes a mistake. if we go into the new season playing the wingback system he becomes obselete in that system he can’t play any of the positions required and we have much better options based on purely using your stats we should play him centre half because he’ll create assists doesn’t matter that he can’t play there and makes basic mistakes that a player who actually plays there doesn’t Those stats suggest he's far from terrible in any other position. You can choose to feel he is, but the facts show otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 47 minutes ago, wilyfox said: with Fox gone and JVA free to leave it’s inevitable we’ll sign a left-sided centre-half to compete with Börner, hence links with Liam Lindsay and now Jake Clarke-Salter. The latter made a very good impression at Brum last season. Yeah I know. I’m not against it, just that we are absolutely desperate for at least two strikers in the next 10 days. Defenders can wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnyowl97 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 If we can have a back 3 of Dunkley Iorfa and Clarke-Salter that would be a massive improvement on last season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, donnyowl97 said: If we can have a back 3 of Dunkley Iorfa and Clarke-Salter that would be a massive improvement on last season But you haven't seen Dunkley or Clarke-Salter in action 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Yeah I know. I’m not against it, just that we are absolutely desperate for at least two strikers in the next 10 days. Defenders can wait. Agreed, but they don’t always fall in the order you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Was just about to post this. What’s the obsession with centre backs when we are crying out for strikers and a keeper. We needed to be more defensively solid as a team after last season. We should be more creative with the acquisition of Izzy Brown. Hopefully we'll be more dynamic going forward too. But a solid defensive base should allow our more creative and attacking players to get forward more. It's a difficult balance to get right but I'm sure we're targeting the attacking players we need along with defensive ones, it seems as though we're looking to be more athletic and dynamic as a team, with a younger group. That's something I think was long overdue, and something that we should have been doing long before the points deduction or ever since the failed play off campaigns. With the players we've brought in and been linked with, it looks as though we have implemented a more sensible long term approach. I prefer the more long term approach instead of a short term approach that targeted experienced players with little or no re-sale value. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Was just about to post this. What’s the obsession with centre backs when we are crying out for strikers and a keeper. If we’re playing 3 at the back Iorfa, dunkley, borner Looks like jva is leaving (hopefully) and Lees is nowhere near good enough. Palmer could fill in at a push but I’d rather he didn’t. Still pretty short there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, The Night-Owl said: Think I read somewhere before that since parachute payments begun the average is for 2 clubs to go straight back up? In the current financial climate with the pandemic and shortened pre-season, parachute payments could be more of an advantage than ever? I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 2 or even all 3 of the clubs to go up next season to be among the several clubs receiving parachute payments. Brentford again have the best chance out of the non parachute payment clubs, due to their player sales and smart recruitment. Have to question that claim. A study done in 2012, of years 1992-2012,, showed the average time it took for a club to get back to PL was four seasons. If you took out all the teams that did make it back first time then the average is five seasons. Over recent years with parachute payments, it may have altered slightly but Newcastle and Fulham, via play-offs, are two that made it back straight away. Can't think of two going straight back up in same season recently, never mind on average. Edited August 26, 2020 by Beauchief Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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