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Official Summer Transfer Rumours Thread 2020-2021

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3 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

 

Maybe sporadic apps made by fringe players, but you could name 8 or 9 of Bournemouth & Burnley's starting XI every week before the teamsheet came out. They had a remarkable level of continuity in their side - where as we seem to be constantly rotating these days. We don't have effective combinations like we used to. 

 

In an ideal world, that's fine. But fatigue and injuries are just part of the fabric of the modern game, not to mention those dips in form people can have. You can't set up your squad assuming that level of consistency though because a handful of problems leave you dredging the depths. In previous eras, the loan market was available for emergencies, but these days you've only got a few weeks to do that, so most of the season it's not an option.

 

We've been at the other end of the spectrum in the last couple of years, which isn't good either. The situation up front in particular has been ridiculous. Numbers have been more sensible this season, but unfortunately they just haven't played well enough.

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3 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

In an ideal world, that's fine. But fatigue and injuries are just part of the fabric of the modern game, not to mention those dips in form people can have. You can't set up your squad assuming that level of consistency though because a handful of problems leave you dredging the depths. In previous eras, the loan market was available for emergencies, but these days you've only got a few weeks to do that, so most of the season it's not an option.

 

We've been at the other end of the spectrum in the last couple of years, which isn't good either. The situation up front in particular has been ridiculous. Numbers have been more sensible this season, but unfortunately they just haven't played well enough.

 

Some of our problems are self-induced. We've kept hold of players for too long. Padding out the squad to compensate for players breaking down or ageing past their best has been a mistake. Couple that with some poor recruitment, leaves us where we are. 

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15 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

 

Maybe sporadic apps made by fringe players, but you could name 8 or 9 of Bournemouth & Burnley's starting XI every week before the teamsheet came out. They had a remarkable level of continuity in their side - where as we seem to be constantly rotating these days. We don't have effective combinations like we used to. 

 

In my opinion, we've really missed Hooper. He paired well with others, Fletcher & Forestieri inparticular. 

Also, if we are having to operate on a reduced budget, then it’s better to have 18 good players rather than 25 mediocre ones It will need us to have a sprinkling of players who can operate in more than one position though, and an U23 group with more players able to step up 

In an ideal scenario, of course it would be better to have a squad of 25 players, any of whom could be brought in with no discernible drop in performance. That’s a luxury not many clubs will have nowadays 

Even when we had more money to spend, it used to annoy the flip out of me, that we would duplicate a thirty something left back, with an identical player in reserve. 
If we have to find a different way to operate, it’s not the end of the world. In fact there are plus points, a leaner squad with more continuity in selection, an improved development set up, and a smaller wage bil

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3 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Also, if we are having to operate on a reduced budget, then it’s better to have 18 good players rather than 25 mediocre ones It will need us to have a sprinkling of players who can operate in more than one position though, and an U23 group with more players able to step up 

In an ideal scenario, of course it would be better to have a squad of 25 players, any of whom could be brought in with no discernible drop in performance. That’s a luxury not many clubs will have nowadays 

Even when we had more money to spend, it used to annoy the flip out of me, that we would duplicate a thirty something left back, with an identical player in reserve. 
If we have to find a different way to operate, it’s not the end of the world. In fact there are plus points, a leaner squad with more continuity in selection, an improved development set up, and a smaller wage bil

 

I always think 23 should be the aim. 2 outfielders for every position, plus 3 keepers. Yes, you need luck with injuries - and teams that go up usually have that luck on side.

 

Leeds are sat top 2 having only used 3 strikers. Only needed the 3rd because Nketiah quit halfway through - and neither he or Augustin played much. How many did Wolves use? Jota, Bonatini, who else? Norwich used Pukki, Rhodes, and Srbeny (lightly). DJM and I aren't going to agree on this one. 8 strikers is wasteful and far too many in my opinion.

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2 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

 

I always think 23 should be the aim. 2 outfielders for every position, plus 3 keepers. Yes, you need luck with injuries - and teams that go up usually have that luck on side.

 

Leeds are sat top 2 having only used 3 strikers. Only needed the 3rd because Nketiah quit halfway through - and neither he or Augustin played much. How many did Wolves use? Jota, Bonatini, who else? Norwich used Pukki, Rhodes, and Srbeny (lightly). DJM and I aren't going to agree on this one. 8 strikers is wasteful and far too many in my opinion.

 

I never advocated 8 strikers. That would be silly.

 

Personally, I'd aim for two full elevens then an additional reserve in each position down the spine of the team because if you're playing 4-4-2 then there's twice as much chance of a centre back, centre midfield or centre forward being out, plus goalkeeper is the most specialist position. So that would be 26, which is not much different from what you suggested. 

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I'd like to see us do what we did when we picked up Brunt and Whelan. That said I can't see us adopting this type of policy under Chansiri and I don't trust Monk's judgement when it comes to players?

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45 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said:

I'd like to see us do what we did when we picked up Brunt and Whelan. That said I can't see us adopting this type of policy under Chansiri and I don't trust Monk's judgement when it comes to players?

 

It is good news that we got linked with Nathan Holland. Just the type of player we want to see us focus on next summer.

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23 minutes ago, malek said:

 

It is good news that we got linked with Nathan Holland. Just the type of player we want to see us focus on next summer.

 

It’s one thing being linked, it’s another thing entirely being interested and actively trying to sign him particularly when it comes to Wednesday.

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Using a quick google search we have sixteen players who have played more than thousand minutes this season. As things stand five of them will need replacing or resigning.

 

There are a couple of others in the sixteen that don't look to have a future here like Westwood, Lee and Obudajo.

 

I would assume Monk is going to be looking for a lot of loans and free transfers     along with resigning a few. 
 

The suggestion of running a smaller squad seems a strange idea to me given how many transfers don't work and what we have to do.
 

 

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7 hours ago, malek said:

 

It is good news that we got linked with Nathan Holland. Just the type of player we want to see us focus on next summer.

I think the same, but I’m not sure how he’d take to Monk’s way of playing At Oxford, he is encouraged to play football, and Karl Robinson always has them on the front foot They don’t always defend that well, but they always try to play football

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37 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

I think the same, but I’m not sure how he’d take to Monk’s way of playing At Oxford, he is encouraged to play football, and Karl Robinson always has them on the front foot They don’t always defend that well, but they always try to play football

And that will be a big part of the promble. I just don’t think young players will see working under mink as an attractive proposition.

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Andre Grbic

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2 hours ago, MrEdwards said:

Andre Grbic

Random name to drop in plus would probably take a couple of million to get him and I'm not sure were going to be spending anything . I'm assuming you mean Adrian Grbic aswell ?

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Heard it’s costing a fair old lump of coin to keep the loan players for extra month or whatever is planned to finish the season off 

 

worth it ? 

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9 minutes ago, Royal_D said:

Heard it’s costing a fair old lump of coin to keep the loan players for extra month or whatever is planned to finish the season off 

 

worth it ? 

Not sure we will get the choice. May be built into the terms of the conditions they agree to resume that all are kept on. Or at least offered the chance to stay if they want to.

 

Or teams with nothing to play for will just bin the lot play the 19/20 year old kids and happily get beat knowing its saving them a fortune.  If you Finish 9th or 18th it means absolutely nothing in the championship.

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59 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

Not sure we will get the choice. May be built into the terms of the conditions they agree to resume that all are kept on. Or at least offered the chance to stay if they want to.

 

Or teams with nothing to play for will just bin the lot play the 19/20 year old kids and happily get beat knowing its saving them a fortune.  If you Finish 9th or 18th it means absolutely nothing in the championship.


Fair points 

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1 hour ago, pazowl55 said:

Not sure we will get the choice. May be built into the terms of the conditions they agree to resume that all are kept on. Or at least offered the chance to stay if they want to.

 

Or teams with nothing to play for will just bin the lot play the 19/20 year old kids and happily get beat knowing its saving them a fortune.  If you Finish 9th or 18th it means absolutely nothing in the championship.


wonder if we will still be able to get rid of any out of contract players at the end of June or if they will have to stay on until the season ends. Sooner we can get rid the better for me. 

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Boris Johnson will be available on a free agent by the time the season resumes.. Potential replacement for Hutch?

 

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10 minutes ago, Sefton owl said:

Boris Johnson will be available on a free agent by the time the season resumes.. Potential replacement for Hutch?

 

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that’s more than I’ve ever seen Pessy do on the pitch. 

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2 hours ago, pazowl55 said:

Not sure we will get the choice. May be built into the terms of the conditions they agree to resume that all are kept on. Or at least offered the chance to stay if they want to.

 

Or teams with nothing to play for will just bin the lot play the 19/20 year old kids and happily get beat knowing its saving them a fortune.  If you Finish 9th or 18th it means absolutely nothing in the championship.

Cant see being forced to incur the additional cost of loan players, without being compensated by EFL. Presume we've been paying them since lockdown started anyway.

 

Despite the apparent wish to play on, I dont see the majority of Championship clubs wanting to incur further losses to put on pointless games in empty stadiums. 

 

All the talk of finishing the season is testicles. Unfit teams, depleted squads and no fans is not football I recognise, it's just sad, desperate and obviously purely a matter of retaining TV money. 

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