gurujuan Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, fudge27 said: He's available on a free, has experience, is the type of forward we need and that Monk teams tend to have in them and will contribute 10-15 in a season So say 12 from him, 8 from Windass, but where else will the goals come from? We won’t get more than half a dozen from Bannan, Brown and Joey, or whichever defensive midfielder we sign. We might get a few from the centre backs, but Odubajo and Penney won’t contribute much. We’d be looking at a sub 40 goals total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, royalowlisback said: All this talk of younger players coming in (and we definitely need them, and the club recognise this) isn't a guarantee that it will improve us. We started last season with a few younger players, and apart from at the end where we were basically trying to make up numbers to fill the squad, most of them fell by the wayside. Thorniley - sold Baker - sold Penney - loaned out Bates - played 1 cup game Da Cruz - played back end of the season but was poor The other youngsters played their part, the likes of Hunt, Shaw etc, and may have a bigger role to play this season, but on the whole it is quite difficult getting consistent performances out of younger players, especially if they have hardly ever played any competitive football. Yes we need to bring the age of the squad down, but not just any youngsters, we still need experienced players to come in, especially up front, and in Goal if we choose to make a change. As opposed to older players? My memory must be going because I thought just about every player last year was inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, prowl said: As opposed to older players? My memory must be going because I thought just about every player last year was inconsistent. Not at all, but many supporters think if we pack our squad with young inexperienced players, that they will somehow be a silver bullet to all our problems, when in reality, yes we need a younger squad, but we need experience in key positions, replacing say Fletcher with a young player with no game time would be a disaster, especially when starting on minus 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) I think Chris Martin would be a smart signing to blend in and make up for the loss of Fletchers experience upfront. On a two year deal he's still only 31 and could have a similar impact to a Glenn Murray if he gets into form. I do think in our situation it'd be a smart signing. We can hopefully bring the younger and more mobile forwards in like Leko to play alongside. But I've always considered Martin to be a clever and horrible shithouser. Edited August 21, 2020 by TheEnchanter 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, royalowlisback said: Not at all, but many supporters think if we pack our squad with young inexperienced players, that they will somehow be a silver bullet to all our problems, when in reality, yes we need a younger squad, but we need experience in key positions, replacing say Fletcher with a young player with no game time would be a disaster, especially when starting on minus 12. I agree we do still need experienced players in key positions, but we certainly don’t want to replicate what we had with Fletcher. That type of player is too limiting, meaning we are always going to struggle for goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markowski77 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Hugill would be my shout as the striker - big , physical horrible to play againsT and proven in this division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, gurujuan said: So say 12 from him, 8 from Windass, but where else will the goals come from? We won’t get more than half a dozen from Bannan, Brown and Joey, or whichever defensive midfielder we sign. We might get a few from the centre backs, but Odubajo and Penney won’t contribute much. We’d be looking at a sub 40 goals total Well I'd hope brown, Leko and another CF add in 20 between them. CBs I'd be looking for closer to 10-12 from with Dunkley and Iorfa more of a presence then Lees and Borner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Fun fact, according to the never wrong wiki, Jordan Rhodes is 6ft 1", yet Chris Martin is 5ft 10". Who has been measuring them, Diane Abbott? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, Markowski77 said: Hugill would be my shout as the striker - big , physical horrible to play againsT and proven in this division Didn't Norwich have a bid of £3m rejected for him yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, wilyfox said: because he’s a good player, obviously. He's not a spring chicken anymore Mid twenties I'd have said yes Aged 31, not for me Young and hungry is the way to go Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I think Chris Martin would be a smart signing to blend in and make up for the loss of Fletchers experience upfront. On a two year deal he's still only 31 and could have a similar impact to a Glenn Murray if he gets into form. I do think in our situation it'd be a smart signing. We can hopefully bring the younger and more mobile forwards in like Leko to play alongside. But I've always considered Martin to be a clever and horrible shithouser. I don’t think Liam Palmer will be too happy after the elbow he gave him 2 minutes after coming on away at Derby last season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I've always thought a solid, experienced, dependable spine is important for any team and then you can afford a number of youngsters in the other positions. We aren't really able to pick and choose if we are skint so we take the best we can get. So far I don't think we have done much wrong with the players we've signed or the ones we are said to be targeting. I'm impressed to be honest, still a number of problem areas to be sorted but our transfer dealings look better than any year since the first one CC was here. I know that didn't work out and the players were towards the end of their careers rather than the beginning but we picked up quality at good prices. To say we are getting this years in for not a lot of money and hopefully not excessive wages it is very encouraging. I'd go so far as 8/10 for those signed and 9/10 if we get the ones we are supposed to be after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: He's not a spring chicken anymore Mid twenties I'd have said yes Aged 31, not for me Young and hungry is the way to go He's not a 31yr-old has-been, he's a 31yr-old still-doin-it. 12 goals +7 assists last season. He's experienced, has physical presence (which we now don't have up top), his link-play is excellent, has good vision and technique. Even scores free-kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: He's not a spring chicken anymore Mid twenties I'd have said yes Aged 31, not for me Young and hungry is the way to go A blend is what you need. Starting with a deduction we need some sh*thouses and experience to drag us through the season. Martin fits that bill, been around the block, can hold the ball up, awkward to play against. After losing the presence of Nuhiu and Fletch, we need someone to play that role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Delighted with everything we’ve done so far considering the circumstances. Looking at the players we have been linked with however I find it strange we haven’t been linked with more strikes. Been linked with a lot of versatile forwards who can play as a striker Leko/Brown/Windass/Da Cruz/Simmonds but haven’t yet been linked with any proper proper strikers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy365owl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Does anyone on here watch French football if so there's a guy called Ugo Bonnet who might be useful for us scored 11 in 23 games last season 6ft tall got a decent turn of pace and would be available cheap i would have thought playing for Rodez at moment in league 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, westy365owl said: Does anyone on here watch French football if so there's a guy called Ugo Bonnet who might be useful for us scored 11 in 23 games last season 6ft tall got a decent turn of pace and would be available cheap i would have thought playing for Rodez at moment in league 2 Sounds like a car part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: He's not a spring chicken anymore Mid twenties I'd have said yes Aged 31, not for me Young and hungry is the way to go Well yeah , we’ve gone form screaming out for some young hungry players to wanting to chase championship journeymen though ,I’m not saying I think Martin is a poor player but he will have left Derby for same reasons Fletch left here ... not long enough contract and not enough £££ I don’t see us going down that road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Pigs signed Mcgoldrick a couple of years ago aged 30. Turned out to be an incredible signing. Age is not the issue. Or ability. But as has been mentioned, wages and contract length will be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Nah mate We'd still have people moaning Some yes, but not as many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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