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4 minutes ago, horny owl said:

My suspicions started the season before in the playoff final

 

That one game made me consider if the club had what it takes to go forward

 

When the three or four changes we needed that summer weren’t made Carlos was done for me

 

Huddersfield was a byproduct of that failure to address our problems

 

And of course all of this stems from chansiri as well as a long list of failings on his part

 

Ive said many times before on here and I’ll say it again

 

I wouldn’t trust chansiri to run a Bath never mind a football club.

 

 


A fair point and I had the same concerns after Wembley. I remember being sat watching that Villa game to start the season and after about 20 minutes thinking something felt “off”. I also recall making the play-offs masking what was actually a pretty poor season, with a notable change in style of how this team played.

 

Huddersfield was the categorical point when Carlos/certain players should have gone, but the signs were absolutely there at Wembley.

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I think we are largely agreed on some of the mistakes that have been made in the last couple of years, but simply lamenting that we didn't have a clear out two years ago is easier said than done. We'd spent well beyond our means and had made much of the squad impractical for selling with unwise contracts. Under these circumstances we'd put ourselves in a corner with no easy way out. Recently, our recruitment has been modest for this level out of straightforward necessity. One would hope that the chairman has learnt some harsh lessons from all this and will proceed more prudently once we have some financial leeway again, but the signs are hardly promising on that front so far.

 

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A clear out is required but it will mean very little if we dont have some sort of plan going forward.

 

What sort of team do we want to be? What style of play, system are we looking to introduce? What type of player are we looking for? Young with resale value or more experienced?

 

Otherwise, it will be more of the scattergun approach. The end result will be another disjointed mess.

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What’s the biggest ‘clear out’ we’ve had since we got relegated in 2000? I.e non renewal of contract players? Struggled to recall tbh

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8 minutes ago, SiJ said:

A clear out is required but it will mean very little if we dont have some sort of plan going forward.

 

What sort of team do we want to be? What style of play, system are we looking to introduce? What type of player are we looking for? Young with resale value or more experienced?

 

Otherwise, it will be more of the scattergun approach. The end result will be another disjointed mess.

Exactly

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Just now, Sefton owl said:

What’s the biggest ‘clear out’ we’ve had since we got relegated in 2000? I.e non renewal of contract players? Struggled to recall tbh

 

The biggest one I can remember was by Chris Turner back in about 2004 when we rebuilt almost the entire first team in just a few months. Can't remember the number of players released though.

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3 hours ago, Great Big Galaa said:

Right I’m going to post something that the experts on here will see as b*ll***s and it most probably is but I was reading an article on the BBC website about Dortmund.

 

Now before everyone starts, obviously we are way out of Dortmund’s league of course but the point I want to make is they have a certain way of doing things when it comes to style of play, sourcing players whether it be from outside or inside the club, mainly youngsters who can improve as players, therefore improving the team then becoming substantially saleable assets which continue to sustain the running of the club. I remember seeing years ago on one of those Bundesliga magazine shows when Klopp was there they had some sort of training device which helped to develop passing, touch and awareness.

 

In short they have a plan, they’ve stuck to it and reaped the rewards. I just hope I live to see the day we do something similar to progress our club but I would be very surprised if it happens under the current regime sadly?:sad:

Brentford are doing very similar. If Brentford can do it successfully why the hell cant we?

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23 minutes ago, SiJ said:

A clear out is required but it will mean very little if we dont have some sort of plan going forward.

 

What sort of team do we want to be? What style of play, system are we looking to introduce? What type of player are we looking for? Young with resale value or more experienced?

 

Otherwise, it will be more of the scattergun approach. The end result will be another disjointed mess.


Very true. Just hope we have the right manager in place to over see that. Is Monk the man to do that? I really don’t know. 

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19 minutes ago, Sefton owl said:

What’s the biggest ‘clear out’ we’ve had since we got relegated in 2000? I.e non renewal of contract players? Struggled to recall tbh


I may have dreamt this but a couple of seasons ago did we not have something like 16 players out of contact? 

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1 hour ago, sheffield_dave said:

Huddersfield in the play-offs. That was the time. The natural cut off point for Carlos and most of this group. As others have alluded to above a lot of fans saw this as soon as the final whistle blew.

 

Chansiri didn’t and we’ve been living with the consequences since. Personally I think almost every problem we have right now ultimately stems from the lack of action after that. It’s a team that’s carried a play-off hangover for 3 years. 


Biggest mistake we made after Huddersfield was signing Jordan Rhodes and giving him a 4 year deal. We’d already seen during the loan spell that season he wasn’t up to it.

 

We also signed Joost van Aken, George Boyd and Jacob Butterfield in the window following Huddersfield.... what a summer of recruitment that was!

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2 hours ago, Sefton owl said:

What’s the biggest ‘clear out’ we’ve had since we got relegated in 2000? I.e non renewal of contract players? Struggled to recall tbh

Couldn't even say to be honest, have we actually had one?

Even in 2000 not that many went did they?

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Thought it was some blame game to do with @theowlsman's lucky half time dumps. 

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7 minutes ago, Ferkorf said:

Couldn't even say to be honest, have we actually had one?

Even in 2000 not that many went did they?

 

Atherton    Srnicek
Sonner     Briscoe
Booth
Cresswell
Rudi
Alexanderson
Nolan
Newsome??
Humphries??
Thats a brainstorm in the pub between me and the mates. Probably more went too

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16 minutes ago, Ferkorf said:

 

Atherton    Srnicek
Sonner     Briscoe
Booth
Cresswell
Rudi
Alexanderson
Nolan
Newsome??
Humphries??
Thats a brainstorm in the pub between me and the mates. Probably more went too

Jonk and Phil Scott too? I think we were stuck with the O'Donnellys for another season or two...

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2 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

The biggest one I can remember was by Chris Turner back in about 2004 when we rebuilt almost the entire first team in just a few months. Can't remember the number of players released though.

Yep, 2004 by a long way - about a dozen. We let go a combination of not-up-to-scratch dross (Maddix, McLaren, BBM) plus a fair bit of under-performing talent (Quinn, Bromby, Geary)... to see the Piggies promptly sign up the latter group...

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9 minutes ago, Dooogs said:

Jonk and Phil Scott too? I think we were stuck with the O'Donnellys for another season or two...

We said jonk but I had a feeling he was on our injury table with hinchcliffe for the 1st season in div 1.

Could be wrong but they were definitely both on my old championship manager 2001 game for us in Div 1.

Used to flog them both straight away lol

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26 minutes ago, Ferkorf said:

We said jonk but I had a feeling he was on our injury table with hinchcliffe for the 1st season in div 1.

Could be wrong but they were definitely both on my old championship manager 2001 game for us in Div 1.

Used to flog them both straight away lol

I lost months of my life to CM3 and CM00-01

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Clear arhhht!!! 

 

Dawson

 

Iorfa

Bates

Borner

Fox

 

Murphy 

Pelupessy

Luongo 

Da Cruz

 

Nuhiu

Wickham

 

Oh wait, those aren't on the sh*t list :rolleyes: 

 

Let's release some (relatively) more successful players

 

Westwood

 

Palmer

Lees

Hutch

 

Bannan

Lee

Reach

Harris

 

Forrestieri 

Fletcher

 

*Probably should get rid of just a few from each list 

 

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1 hour ago, Dooogs said:

I lost months of my life to CM3 and CM00-01

Same mate, Taribo West first signing every season lol

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6 hours ago, sheriwozgod said:

 

I would let Fox leave as well, he has had 3 good months out of 3 years, that have coincidentally coincided with his contract running out...…………….we fell for this two years ago with Nuhiu.

That's not true. 

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