Not just the players

[OasisOwl72]

I’ve kept my council since Wednesday but some of the comments on here solely blaming the players are so wide of the mark it’s prompted  my post.

Of course the out of contract in the summer players should be moved on but some comments like, did Monk ask Iorfa to play a bad pass or Dawson to mis-kick etc aren’t a defence for Monk.

Monk told  Forestieri to play left wing back

For Bannan to play so deep

For two new wingers in De Cruz and Windass to play so centrally

For Wickham to toil up front on his own

To not play 4-4-2 with any of the 5 wide men available and attack the most vulnerable side in the league in Luton

 

To just blame the players is just simplistic and wholly inaccurate. The out of contract players need moving on granted but 8 players that  featured at Luton  technically aren’t out of contract in the summer.

 

With a very similar set of players since Jos left.

Bullen 1.66 points per game

Bruce 1.61 points per game

Monk 1.34 points per game

 

What’s the difference? Monk is the difference

 

Last 10 games.

W 2 D 2 L 6 Relegation form.

 

Have the players suddenly stopped playing or is there more to it? Of course there is more to it and the buck stops with the manager.

 

Monks record is patchy and always seems to leave a club under a cloud and it’s easy to see why.

 

The biggest squad re-build will take place in the summer, what evidence is there that Monk is the man for the job?

 

Give it Bullen NOW until the end of the season to keep us up.

 

In the summer a huge clear out and try and tempt someone like Chris Hughton who  being out of a manager’s job for a year may just be tempted. A manager who has promotion from the Champ to the Prem on his CV.

 

Just blaming the players is a ridiculous notion to complex problems we have much further up of which I include Monk and even further up than him.

[daveyboy66]

2 minutes ago, OasisOwl72 said:

I’ve kept my council since Wednesday but some of the comments on here solely blaming the players are so wide of the mark it’s prompted  my post.

Of course the out of contract in the summer players should be moved on but some comments like, did Monk ask Iorfa to play a bad pass or Dawson to mis-kick etc aren’t a defence for Monk.

Monk told  Forestieri to play left wing back

For Bannan to play so deep

For two new wingers in De Cruz and Windass to play so centrally

For Wickham to toil up front on his own

To not play 4-4-2 with any of the 5 wide men available and attack the most vulnerable side in the league in Luton

 

To just blame the players is just simplistic and wholly inaccurate. The out of contract players need moving on granted but 8 players that  featured at Luton  technically aren’t out of contract in the summer.

 

With a very similar set of players since Jos left.

Bullen 1.66 points per game

Bruce 1.61 points per game

Monk 1.34 points per game

 

What’s the difference? Monk is the difference

 

Last 10 games.

W 2 D 2 L 6 Relegation form.

 

Have the players suddenly stopped playing or is there more to it? Of course there is more to it and the buck stops with the manager.

 

Monks record is patchy and always seems to leave a club under a cloud and it’s easy to see why.

 

The biggest squad re-build will take place in the summer, what evidence is there that Monk is the man for the job?

 

Give it Bullen NOW until the end of the season to keep us up.

 

In the summer a huge clear out and try and tempt someone like Chris Hughton who  being out of a manager’s job for a year may just be tempted. A manager who has promotion from the Champ to the Prem on his CV.

 

Just blaming the players is a ridiculous notion to complex problems we have much further up of which I include Monk and even further up than him.

In a word YES...he's told all those whose contracts finished that they're on their way so they have downed fuckingtools...you can't compare the effort they put into the Leeds match with anything since...they've thrown their toys out of the pram and we're suffering for it. 

[OasisOwl72]

1 minute ago, daveyboy66 said:

In a word YES...he's told all those whose contracts finished that they're on their way so they have downed fuckingtools...you can't compare the effort they put into the Leeds match with anything since...they've thrown their toys out of the pram and we're suffering for it. 

So what about the other 8 out of 14 that didn't apply to at Luton? Forestieri as left wing back etc etc?

[S36 OWL]

We are a shambles from top to bottom. We are a joke from the owner down to the players. 

[Dick_Turpin]

16 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said:

In a word YES...he's told all those whose contracts finished that they're on their way so they have downed fuckingtools...you can't compare the effort they put into the Leeds match with anything since...they've thrown their toys out of the pram and we're suffering for it. 

[FARGATEOWL]

The uncertainty is undoubtedly affecting the players, although you would have thought a bit professionalism and opportunity to put themselves in the shop window might encourage them.

 

This leads all back to Chansiri, he must have authorised the contracts that have prevented us from moving players on and leading to our problems with FFP.

[matthefish2002]

Monk is not blameless and if I hear he is no longer manager I will not shed any tears.
Players also have to look at themselves, some are a disgrace. All players out of contact can go for me.
But to me all this feels like the early 2000s where we changed manager and changed payers fairly regularly but overall the club was on the slide because it was being badly run at boardroom level.

[oldishowl]

Where does Monk get his support from above, who does he report/ talk to. 

If he is in some sort of dispute with 2 senior pros who else is trying to sort it. In a normal club the Director of Football and captain would be trying to help sort it.

 

I get the impression players can take the manager on because he  is just one person. They feel they are just taking him on personally , and not made to feel they are letting the whole club down.

Who is in charge of the footballing side of the club.

Who decides whether to renew contracts and what our general wage levels should be. 
 

Where is the very important join where somebody says , yes we need to keep x and he is worth this amount of wages.

 

You just get the impression we have a manager on a short term contract fire fighting and an owner who knows very little about how to run a football club and pops into the country every now and then.

 

There appears to be no structure above Monk helping him and below him he has had to make do with what was already there.

Gaps appear to be filled by “ advisors” and lawyers who will both keep taking the money while caring not one jot about the club.

[cowl]

If Monk has really told some of those whose contract's that are up in the summer that they won't be offered another one, you've got to question why on earth he's done that?

 

Monk has mentioned honesty a few times - but it's just plain naive to think you can tell players their futures will be elsewhere next season and expect them to play with the same commitment as they would otherwise show. Why even take the chance with telling them?

[Guest LittleG]

1 hour ago, daveyboy66 said:

In a word YES...he's told all those whose contracts finished that they're on their way 

Is this a FACT because if so then it's another wrong move by Monk

[Owls Loyal]

So, so true Cowl.

 

It is hard to believe that Monk could have been that stupid to say that there will be no new contract to certain players.  Wait until the end of the season surely.

 

Buit it could be true because that performance the other night equalled some of Luhukay's disasters such as being 4-0 down at Bristol City inside 25 miinutes, a 4-0 defeat at QPR to name but two.

 

The performance against Luton was completely  ludicrous.

 

Players out of position, a new sytsem, no player seeming to know what their job was and our one decent player in the first half (playing LWB for the first time in his life) substituted at half time.

 

Luton missed a penalty plus several sitters and had a goal wrongly ruled out after another Dawson error.

 

The score should have been 5-0 to the bottom team in the division.

 

 

 

[FinnishOwl]

I think the players are on the phone to DC the minute someone steps in their way to disrupt their happy family. The managers don't seem to have much support here.

Edited February 14, 2020 by FinnishOwl

[sacré bleu]

Maybe he thought that by doing the decent thing and being honest with them it would  give them a chance to begin planning for their future and that they would repay that honesty by being fully committed till the end of the season? If so looks like he misjudged them 

[Guest LittleG]

1 hour ago, OasisOwl72 said:

I’ve kept my council since Wednesday but some of the comments on here solely blaming the players are so wide of the mark it’s prompted  my post.

Of course the out of contract in the summer players should be moved on but some comments like, did Monk ask Iorfa to play a bad pass or Dawson to mis-kick etc aren’t a defence for Monk.

Monk told  Forestieri to play left wing back

For Bannan to play so deep

For two new wingers in De Cruz and Windass to play so centrally

For Wickham to toil up front on his own

To not play 4-4-2 with any of the 5 wide men available and attack the most vulnerable side in the league in Luton

 

To just blame the players is just simplistic and wholly inaccurate. The out of contract players need moving on granted but 8 players that  featured at Luton  technically aren’t out of contract in the summer.

 

With a very similar set of players since Jos left.

Bullen 1.66 points per game

Bruce 1.61 points per game

Monk 1.34 points per game

 

What’s the difference? Monk is the difference

 

Last 10 games.

W 2 D 2 L 6 Relegation form.

 

Have the players suddenly stopped playing or is there more to it? Of course there is more to it and the buck stops with the manager.

 

Monks record is patchy and always seems to leave a club under a cloud and it’s easy to see why.

 

The biggest squad re-build will take place in the summer, what evidence is there that Monk is the man for the job?

 

Give it Bullen NOW until the end of the season to keep us up.

 

In the summer a huge clear out and try and tempt someone like Chris Hughton who  being out of a manager’s job for a year may just be tempted. A manager who has promotion from the Champ to the Prem on his CV.

 

Just blaming the players is a ridiculous notion to complex problems we have much further up of which I include Monk and even further up than him.

Players at every club need managing, guiding, coaching, instructing. The manager makes a hell of a lot of difference. Does anybody think t'other lot would be doing so well without Wilder, no chance. 

[oldishowl]

49 minutes ago, LittleG said:

Players at every club need managing, guiding, coaching, instructing. The manager makes a hell of a lot of difference. Does anybody think t'other lot would be doing so well without Wilder, no chance. 

The manager is the most important person at the club in one sense because the club swims or sinks by the results of the first team.

 

However he can’t do everything.

He needs a properly run club off the field to support him and make the right decisions to provide the correct environment.

He also needs the right people working with him, not ones that have been forced on him.

 

He can’t make a silk purse out of sow’s ear.

[pinowl]

When we win 4-0 tomorrow 

[Minton]

2 hours ago, daveyboy66 said:

In a word YES...he's told all those whose contracts finished that they're on their way so they have downed fuckingtools...you can't compare the effort they put into the Leeds match with anything since...they've thrown their toys out of the pram and we're suffering for it. 

 

What a complete load of uninformed bullshit. You haven't the first clue that the players have been told whether they will be retained or not for starters. And secondly, of the team that played against Luton there are only 3 who are out of contract in the summer. And one of them came off the bench. 

 

 Jesus.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

2 hours ago, daveyboy66 said:

In a word YES...he's told all those whose contracts finished that they're on their way so they have downed fuckingtools...you can't compare the effort they put into the Leeds match with anything since...they've thrown their toys out of the pram and we're suffering for it. 

Granted we're suffering, but they will suffer when no other club wants them on current form.

[Pale Rider]

3 hours ago, OasisOwl72 said:

I’ve kept my council since Wednesday but some of the comments on here solely blaming the players are so wide of the mark it’s prompted  my post.

Of course the out of contract in the summer players should be moved on but some comments like, did Monk ask Iorfa to play a bad pass or Dawson to mis-kick etc aren’t a defence for Monk.

Monk told  Forestieri to play left wing back

For Bannan to play so deep

For two new wingers in De Cruz and Windass to play so centrally

For Wickham to toil up front on his own

To not play 4-4-2 with any of the 5 wide men available and attack the most vulnerable side in the league in Luton

 

To just blame the players is just simplistic and wholly inaccurate. The out of contract players need moving on granted but 8 players that  featured at Luton  technically aren’t out of contract in the summer.

 

With a very similar set of players since Jos left.

Bullen 1.66 points per game

Bruce 1.61 points per game

Monk 1.34 points per game

 

What’s the difference? Monk is the difference

 

Last 10 games.

W 2 D 2 L 6 Relegation form.

 

Have the players suddenly stopped playing or is there more to it? Of course there is more to it and the buck stops with the manager.

 

Monks record is patchy and always seems to leave a club under a cloud and it’s easy to see why.

 

The biggest squad re-build will take place in the summer, what evidence is there that Monk is the man for the job?

 

Give it Bullen NOW until the end of the season to keep us up.

 

In the summer a huge clear out and try and tempt someone like Chris Hughton who  being out of a manager’s job for a year may just be tempted. A manager who has promotion from the Champ to the Prem on his CV.

 

Just blaming the players is a ridiculous notion to complex problems we have much further up of which I include Monk and even further up than him.

No it isn’t but how anybody can witness the last two months, and even try to defend them beggars belief. They’re a total shower end of. 

[crookesowl]

I agree with the OP in general but I wouldn’t give it to Bullen for anything other than caretaker for a couple of games.
 

Monk is the manager. He sets them up. He defines the football we play. 
 

The football is rubbish, the players look lost. It’s hardly surprising they struggle to give 100%.