davetherivelinowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I've been saying this for most of the season but I think the source of most of our problems is that we're just not fit enough. We have a midfield of Lee, Bannan and Hutch all of whom are now 30+. We brought in Luongo who is 'only' 27 but frankly runs like he's in his 30's. We have proved to be dreadful at holding on to a lead in the last 5 minutes - because we're knackered. When we had a run of games over Christmas our form collapsed - because we were knackered. Every other team just seems to run about a lot more than we do - because we're knackered In some games, and last night was a classic example, we can look really good in the first 15 minutes. But then we just run out of steam. For a while last night we looked terrific with Lee and Bannan buzzing everywhere, making tackles, interceptions and runs. But then... nothing. Bannan in particular just disappeared. Let's face it Bannan is knackered and Lee is past it. I don't know what the answer is in the short term because there's no-one else to replace them with. Lee at least did more in the first 15 minutes than Pelupessy has all season. There's no-one in the U23's ready to step up. The new guys look even slower, with the exception of Da Cruz who at least runs about a bit but has (as yet) no end product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) It’s nothing to do with fitness. It’s about mental fortitude (a lack of) Edited February 13, 2020 by McRightSide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justbeanz Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Wickham looked way off the pace last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Anyone read Carlton Palmers piece in Star other day ?? He pretty much said the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Not buying it. This seasons first half performances have been disgraceful. That's not fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: Not buying it. This seasons first half performances have been disgraceful. That's not fitness. think its cos were mentally weak,poorly prepared,and basically crap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 The mental side is an issue but we also lack physically, most teams are faster and stronger than us in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Anyone read Carlton Palmers piece in Star other day ?? He pretty much said the same thing To be fair, as much as we all loved CP as a player, he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Not fit enough, not physical enough, not mentally strong enough. We just aren’t good enough from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 38 minutes ago, McRightSide said: It’s nothing to do with fitness. It’s about mental fortitude (a lack of) This^^^^ All day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Dec1966 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Not fit enough, not physical enough, not mentally strong enough. We just aren’t good enough from top to bottom. This, and not committed enough, and too predictable. Other teams take quick throwing, corners,free kicks. Not nasty enough either, do anything to win. Complain to the ref, "win" a free kick, Football is about winning, nothing else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 A lot of it is down to the attitude of the players it's clear to see that our lot don't want it as much as the opposition which is unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_wells Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 We're just far too fragile. Complete lack of leadership, belief in each other, confidence, bravery, urgency (a huge bugbear with this lot) real professional work ethic and winning mentality. All that equals HUGE inconsistency and a complete inability to recover from set-backs. No surprise we struggle to turn round bad runs (unless a manager gets the sack), come back from behind in a game (very rarely happens) or even hold on to a lead (the EXTREME of which we've seen multiple times at Blackburn, Stoke, Wigan, home to Swansea etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, 31Dec1966 said: Not nasty enough either, do anything to win. Complain to the ref, "win" a free kick, Football is about winning, if you got promoted for being nasty we'd be quids in ,only wigan have a worse disciplinary record ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Gerrum on Moors with Tony Tom's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, davetherivelinowl said: I've been saying this for most of the season but I think the source of most of our problems is that we're just not fit enough. We have a midfield of Lee, Bannan and Hutch all of whom are now 30+. We brought in Luongo who is 'only' 27 but frankly runs like he's in his 30's. We have proved to be dreadful at holding on to a lead in the last 5 minutes - because we're knackered. When we had a run of games over Christmas our form collapsed - because we were knackered. Every other team just seems to run about a lot more than we do - because we're knackered In some games, and last night was a classic example, we can look really good in the first 15 minutes. But then we just run out of steam. For a while last night we looked terrific with Lee and Bannan buzzing everywhere, making tackles, interceptions and runs. But then... nothing. Bannan in particular just disappeared. Let's face it Bannan is knackered and Lee is past it. I don't know what the answer is in the short term because there's no-one else to replace them with. Lee at least did more in the first 15 minutes than Pelupessy has all season. There's no-one in the U23's ready to step up. The new guys look even slower, with the exception of Da Cruz who at least runs about a bit but has (as yet) no end product Absolutely this. That's exactly what I've been trying to say. It wasn't direct for the first fifteen. We moved it around but as you say ran out of steam far too soon. Wickham I can understand, he's not played much, but he was blowing after 20 minutes. As soon as they tire though out comes the lump ball and 40 yard worldy diagonals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumboldowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Gerrum on Moors with Tony Tom's A repeat of that would fill our already sick bay to breaking point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I think the problem we have is getting managers and coaches to match the players personalities this team was assembled mainly with softer nice guy Carlos and maybe they just don’t like being over pushed maybe we have a team of pre Madonna’s that switch off to certain management style and the best way to get the best out of them is to coach them to what makes them play its a bit like school teaching different kids need different methods and I’m guessing we have too many needing a different method to what monk coaches until he gets the right players with the right mentality and attitude to be receptive to his methods I think they’ve just switched off I’d also imagine there’s a big click between the players with how long they’ve been together it needs breaking up or getting a manager in that can work with them I think monk really cares and has more fight in him than the players I just don’t think they respond to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Pre Madonna's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I disagree. I think the poor little powderpuffs need to get their heads out of their arses, or each others for that matter and start earning the 30k per week their being paid. No more pandering to them. If they can't take a few stern words about attitude and lack of application they should feck off to their safe spaces and rock themselves in the corner. Give me strength. They are are supposed to be warriors not delicate little flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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