bobness Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Mrs Blenkinsops shed said: Cake ball mk2 DC: "The fans are feeling down, we need something to lift their spirits, something they can cheer about. Any ideas?" PR Team: "Have you thought about doing another cake ball? But instead of 278kg of flour, use 279?" DC: "I like it!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Balls! I forgot to edit the year, now everyone will know this isn't real! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, The only way is S6 said: I know DC is a bit random (!) but he always seems to pull a rabbit out of a hat to keep us going. Rhodes (not his fault he flopped) Bruce (not his fault he fkd off) Stadium sale (tbc) SAG / SYP restrictions (won) I can’t see him staying away much longer during the current situation. No idea what, but I bet he’s got something planned..... Train rides around Hillsborough Park. 10 quid a pop. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 In addition to the table I posted earlier (repeated further down this post) that outlined our performance season on season since 2012/2013, I've just done a quick list of all the incoming transfers I could find since DC took charge. The first couple, I'm not 100% were under DC, but the list still makes for frustrating reading. Filipe Melo Sergiu Bus Stevie May Fernando Forestieri Gary Hooper Marco Matias Lucas Joao Rhoys Wiggins Lewis McGugan Vincent Sasso Modou Sougou Darryl Lachman Ross Wallace Jack Hunt Barry Bannan Joe Bennett Michael Turner Daniel Pudil Aiden McGeady Adam Reach Almen Abdi Morgan Fox Sam Winnall Jake Kean David Jones Jordan Thorniley Steven Fletcher Callum McManaman Will Buckley Matt Penney Urby Emanuelson Jordan Rhodes Joost van Aken Joey Pelupessy George Boyd Jacob Butterfield Frederico Venancio Dominic Iorfa Achraf Lazaar Micheal Hector Rolando Aarons Josh Onomah Massimo Luongo Kadeem Harris Paul Jones Moses Odubajo Manuel Hidalgo Julian Borner Connor Wickham David Bates Alessio Da Cruz Jacob Murphy Josh Windass Using figures from transfermarkt.co.uk, it suggests we have spent £39,993,000 on transfer fees which does not include signing on fees, agents fees, loan fees etc. Nor does this figure include wages paid over the course of contracts which is probably much more. For example, Jordan Rhodes on an estimated £25,000 per week basic would equal £1,300,000 per year. I suspect we have/had many players on £15,000-£25,000 per week. I don't know why I do this, as it just depresses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Hitcat said: I bet you like everyone else were more than happy with the players we signed in the first couple of seasons of Chansiri's ownership. I'm also willing to bet you made no such reservations at the time the likes of Abdi, Fletcher et al signed. Whatever you bet you lost. Am I really supposed to agree with all that, or can I tell you that, right from the first flurry of stupid signings I was not too impressed. I was not impressed with Gray getting the sack, or the way Chansiri proceeding to change every little stupid thing he could, as soon as ye took over, just because he could. What a classless show of power and waste of money all that was. Yes he showed us all that he was the big boss man, that he had much, much more money than sense and that his advisers thought running a football club was just like playing FIFA, where you buy people, shove them together and expect everything to fall into place. Stuart Gray knew exactly where we needed to strengthen, even the fans knew where we needed to strengthen. 8 decent quality, hungry, fit young players were needed for a real push for automatic promotion. 2 x wingers, 2 x strikers, 2 x fullbacks, a centre half and a playmaker. That would have done us. Tell us how many of these we should have got excited about, because one kid a pin and a large wallet, could have brought this lot in:- Lloyd Isgrove loan Sergio Bus Felipe Melo Vermijl Lewis McGugan Will Keane loan Darryl Lachman Marco Matias Lewis Price Wallace Joao Wiggins Sougou FF Bannan Hunt Hooper Sasso loan Lopez loan Turner loan Pudil loan Bennet loan McGeady loan Fletcher Keane Abdi Jones Reach Emanuelson Fox Winnall Rhodes Buckley loan Mcmanaman Boyd Aken Pessy Venancio loan Butterfield loan Edited February 17, 2020 by Ante's Bubbly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Ante's Bubbly said: Whatever you bet you lost. Am I really supposed to agree with all that, or can I tell you that, right from the first flurry of stupid signings I was not too impressed. I was not impressed with Gray getting the sack, or the way Chansiri proceeding to change every little stupid thing he could, as soon as ye took over, just because he could. What a classless show of power and waste of money all that was. Yes he showed us all that he was the big boss man, that he had much, much more money than sense and that his advisers thought running a football club was just like playing FIFA, where you buy people, shove them together and expect everything to fall into place. Stuart Gray knew exactly where we needed to strengthen, even the fans knew where we needed to strengthen. 8 decent quality, hungry, fit young players were needed for a real push for automatic promotion. 2 x wingers, 2 x strikers, 2 x fullbacks, a centre half and a playmaker. That would have done us. Tell us how many of these we should have got excited about, because one kid a pin and a large wallet, could have brought this lot in:- Lloyd Isgrove loan Sergio Bus Felipe Melo Vermijl Lewis McGugan Will Keane loan Darryl Lachman Marco Matias Lewis Price Wallace Joao Wiggins Sougou FF Bannan Hunt Hooper Sasso loan Lopez loan Turner loan Pudil loan Bennet loan McGeady loan Fletcher Keane Abdi Jones Reach Emanuelson Fox Winnall Rhodes Buckley loan Mcmanaman Boyd Aken Pessy Venancio loan Butterfield loan Yeah yeah yeah. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 So before the start of last season only thirteen out of those 39 players got me excited and 13 goals a season (at his peak) Fletcher was not one of them, but Jordan Rhodes was, and Abdi was, but the other 11 have been good players on and off, although 2 of the 11 were loan players who I think we should have bought, but DC had blown our budget for Venancio and couldn't offer the going rate for Bennet. I liked Hooper before he came to us but wasn't a massive fan when we brought him in, because of his fitness and injuries, but he was class when he was fit and was a decent signing, if only he coukd have played more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Hitcat said: Yeah yeah yeah. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.... You really couldnt see this coming after all the posters and thread over the last four years? We could have built a better squad of younger fitter players for way less and had players who we could sell for a profit if needed. We've done the old olayer high wages thing before. If you use your hindsight properly it can save you from making the same mistakes again and that's what they call foresight. All this was foreseen mate it just depends whether you lived in cloud 9 while DC was wasting his money or in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ante's Bubbly said: All this was foreseen mate it just depends whether you lived in cloud 9 while DC was wasting his money or in the real world. I thought we had a very good chance against hull I thought we would smash hudds. In hindsight when it went titts up the writing was on the wall. And FA we could do, we went all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Hitcat said: Yeah yeah yeah. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.... How would you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, i used to be sc_owl said: In addition to the table I posted earlier (repeated further down this post) that outlined our performance season on season since 2012/2013, I've just done a quick list of all the incoming transfers I could find since DC took charge. The first couple, I'm not 100% were under DC, but the list still makes for frustrating reading. Filipe Melo Sergiu Bus Stevie May Fernando Forestieri Gary Hooper Marco Matias Lucas Joao Rhoys Wiggins Lewis McGugan Vincent Sasso Modou Sougou Darryl Lachman Ross Wallace Jack Hunt Barry Bannan Joe Bennett Michael Turner Daniel Pudil Aiden McGeady Adam Reach Almen Abdi Morgan Fox Sam Winnall Jake Kean David Jones Jordan Thorniley Steven Fletcher Callum McManaman Will Buckley Matt Penney Urby Emanuelson Jordan Rhodes Joost van Aken Joey Pelupessy George Boyd Jacob Butterfield Frederico Venancio Dominic Iorfa Achraf Lazaar Micheal Hector Rolando Aarons Josh Onomah Massimo Luongo Kadeem Harris Paul Jones Moses Odubajo Manuel Hidalgo Julian Borner Connor Wickham David Bates Alessio Da Cruz Jacob Murphy Josh Windass Using figures from transfermarkt.co.uk, it suggests we have spent £39,993,000 on transfer fees which does not include signing on fees, agents fees, loan fees etc. Nor does this figure include wages paid over the course of contracts which is probably much more. For example, Jordan Rhodes on an estimated £25,000 per week basic would equal £1,300,000 per year. I suspect we have/had many players on £15,000-£25,000 per week. I don't know why I do this, as it just depresses me. Jesus. No wonder we have wasted 150 million. Who sanctioned half of that lot ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Don't confuse spending for today with investing for tomorrow. Chansiri has done a fair amount of the former but precious little of the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 hours ago, i used to be sc_owl said: In addition to the table I posted earlier (repeated further down this post) that outlined our performance season on season since 2012/2013, I've just done a quick list of all the incoming transfers I could find since DC took charge. The first couple, I'm not 100% were under DC, but the list still makes for frustrating reading. Filipe Melo Sergiu Bus Stevie May Fernando Forestieri Gary Hooper Marco Matias Lucas Joao Rhoys Wiggins Lewis McGugan Vincent Sasso Modou Sougou Darryl Lachman Ross Wallace Jack Hunt Barry Bannan Joe Bennett Michael Turner Daniel Pudil Aiden McGeady Adam Reach Almen Abdi Morgan Fox Sam Winnall Jake Kean David Jones Jordan Thorniley Steven Fletcher Callum McManaman Will Buckley Matt Penney Urby Emanuelson Jordan Rhodes Joost van Aken Joey Pelupessy George Boyd Jacob Butterfield Frederico Venancio Dominic Iorfa Achraf Lazaar Micheal Hector Rolando Aarons Josh Onomah Massimo Luongo Kadeem Harris Paul Jones Moses Odubajo Manuel Hidalgo Julian Borner Connor Wickham David Bates Alessio Da Cruz Jacob Murphy Josh Windass Using figures from transfermarkt.co.uk, it suggests we have spent £39,993,000 on transfer fees which does not include signing on fees, agents fees, loan fees etc. Nor does this figure include wages paid over the course of contracts which is probably much more. For example, Jordan Rhodes on an estimated £25,000 per week basic would equal £1,300,000 per year. I suspect we have/had many players on £15,000-£25,000 per week. I don't know why I do this, as it just depresses me. Brilliant work that mate, it took me so long to put my list together that I didnt realuse you had beaten me to it until I signed in just now! I could not even be bothered to finish the list because even after the first 39 signings the madness of bringing in random players continued. I would like to know who is responsible for bringing in the three January loan players and if these players were not Monk's idea, will Monk be allowed to identfy his own list of players in the summer and who helps him to identify those players. The answers we have had in the past, to who identifies player targets, was that anybody within the club can identify players that may be of interest and the manager has the final word, which reading between the lines means that we did not have a club run scouting network. This can also mean a variety of other things, like ex-directors and other club emloyees, recommending players through contacts at former clubs, to involving agents like Paixo's lovely lot, that have allegedly made money out of poaching some of our young players while making even more by getting us to sign their older players on massive wages. All of this is ok as long as the manager gets the right calibre of player that they are looking for, but proper scouts have the ability to spot the potential in players. These people see traits in players that go on to be top level players and know what they are looking for. They can be asked to look at specific types of players that a manager wants, so that they can observe their behaviour and talk to their team coaches to find out more about their personalities. That is how teams in our division and below used to identify players that were under the radar. They do not all become superstars, but not as many of them end up being such a big waste of time as most of the 40 odd players we have trawled through and as the lower league clubs still do this it must be way more cost effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, i used to be sc_owl said: In addition to the table I posted earlier (repeated further down this post) that outlined our performance season on season since 2012/2013, I've just done a quick list of all the incoming transfers I could find since DC took charge. The first couple, I'm not 100% were under DC, but the list still makes for frustrating reading. Filipe Melo Sergiu Bus Stevie May Fernando Forestieri Gary Hooper Marco Matias Lucas Joao Rhoys Wiggins Lewis McGugan Vincent Sasso Modou Sougou Darryl Lachman Ross Wallace Jack Hunt Barry Bannan Joe Bennett Michael Turner Daniel Pudil Aiden McGeady Adam Reach Almen Abdi Morgan Fox Sam Winnall Jake Kean David Jones Jordan Thorniley Steven Fletcher Callum McManaman Will Buckley Matt Penney Urby Emanuelson Jordan Rhodes Joost van Aken Joey Pelupessy George Boyd Jacob Butterfield Frederico Venancio Dominic Iorfa Achraf Lazaar Micheal Hector Rolando Aarons Josh Onomah Massimo Luongo Kadeem Harris Paul Jones Moses Odubajo Manuel Hidalgo Julian Borner Connor Wickham David Bates Alessio Da Cruz Jacob Murphy Josh Windass Using figures from transfermarkt.co.uk, it suggests we have spent £39,993,000 on transfer fees which does not include signing on fees, agents fees, loan fees etc. Nor does this figure include wages paid over the course of contracts which is probably much more. For example, Jordan Rhodes on an estimated £25,000 per week basic would equal £1,300,000 per year. I suspect we have/had many players on £15,000-£25,000 per week. I don't know why I do this, as it just depresses me. Going to check previous seasons for comparison Edited February 18, 2020 by Ante's Bubbly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: Jesus. No wonder we have wasted 150 million. Who sanctioned half of that lot ? Some of those signings are right duds along with no resell value in a lot of them .. we've made money on who Wiggins May Joao Hunt 4 players in what ... 5 seasons That is an absolute disgrace Sold 4 players for money in 5 years. No wonder why our finances are down the bottom. Absolute haphazard planning, rudderless leadership and shameful understanding of how to run a "business" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Started looking at our transfer dealings before DC arrived, but it is too depressing. Since we did away with our scouting network we have had an awful record for recruiting real quality players, but even when we had very little money to spend under MM we brought in more good quality players than we gave snce then. When you look at our squad of players now and the fact that, not counting U23 players that have come and gone, he has brought 55 different players into our squad, either as signings, or on loan, yet only a small jumber of those players were judged to be good enough to keep, despite splashing mega millions on all the agents fees, transfer fees, wages etc. 55 players in 5 years yet only 6 of those are good enough to make up our starting 11 regularly, with Cameron Dawson (Westwood, Wildsmith), Palmer, Lees, Lee, Nuhiu all still pkaying regularly, but were already at the club before DC arrived. So not counting the 5 latest set of loan players, or players that have come up from the U23s, our official SWFC squad has only 14 players in it that have been signed, out of all those players that the club paid to play for us over DC's ownership! Look at those 14 players now and the rest of the 55 that have featured, along with all the helpers, advisors and management additions that have come and gone, and wonder if we might have done a bit better if somebody involved with spending all that money had actually known what they were doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Ante's Bubbly said: Brilliant work that mate, it took me so long to put my list together that I didnt realuse you had beaten me to it until I signed in just now! I could not even be bothered to finish the list because even after the first 39 signings the madness of bringing in random players continued. I would like to know who is responsible for bringing in the three January loan players and if these players were not Monk's idea, will Monk be allowed to identfy his own list of players in the summer and who helps him to identify those players. The answers we have had in the past, to who identifies player targets, was that anybody within the club can identify players that may be of interest and the manager has the final word, which reading between the lines means that we did not have a club run scouting network. This can also mean a variety of other things, like ex-directors and other club emloyees, recommending players through contacts at former clubs, to involving agents like Paixo's lovely lot, that have allegedly made money out of poaching some of our young players while making even more by getting us to sign their older players on massive wages. All of this is ok as long as the manager gets the right calibre of player that they are looking for, but proper scouts have the ability to spot the potential in players. These people see traits in players that go on to be top level players and know what they are looking for. They can be asked to look at specific types of players that a manager wants, so that they can observe their behaviour and talk to their team coaches to find out more about their personalities. That is how teams in our division and below used to identify players that were under the radar. They do not all become superstars, but not as many of them end up being such a big waste of time as most of the 40 odd players we have trawled through and as the lower league clubs still do this it must be way more cost effective. Thanks mate. When the dust settles and we look back on this era, the main lesson to be learned will be that recruitment needs to be done as part of a coherent strategy instead of just throwing **** against the wall and seeing what sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyto Alba Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It will be known as the stupid era....or summat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 08:56, dowls said: The really confusing element about this is that we are wilfully ignoring the facts about our neighbours. 1) Their previous chairman entered a deal where he lost the club he financed when they hit the big time after a major court case 2) Since 2010 we’ve had 8 managers they have had 10 Managers 3) they had plenty of loans coming in despite parachute payments and Teves cash to fund their club 4) their new owner is friends with Bin Ladens and the second in charge as some questionable opinions on Women. Yet DC run us badly and is the reason we have not gone up?? united finally got the right man at the helm .. we haven’t sometimes it’s really just that simple and more about that than the boardroom. Re Point 4) The Bin Laden's have questionable opinions on many things, not just Women. Re Mr C. I've defended him right up to the latest debacle in the last transfer window. I admire your Support of Mr C, but you've got to start drawing the dots. Mr C doesn't control the Paxo Chicken Group, they control him. He's a victim, just like the Wednesday fans are who pay £43 per ticket to watch the same drivel we watched at £23 per ticket. Agents are destroying English football. We'll win nothing in the EUROs in the summer, and we'll be astonished why the French and Germans dominate once again. As for THEM. THEY appointed their Megson, the agents, who run our club, would never stand for us appointing ours, as it would interfere with the plans of the Paxo Chicken Group. That's why we get Managers like Carlos, Jos and Monk. Here's what they think of your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) scout who came to watch my son was Methusalahs twin brother , was adamant he watched my son before , errr he hadn't spent all game enthusing how good my son was , then told the club a load of rubbish Ante Edited March 3, 2020 by trevdi9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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