vulva Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 The clamour to sack Monk is driven by fans desire just to ‘do something’. Although he isn’t covering himself in glory, he’s picked up an absolute shitshow here, which has been rehearsing for 3 years. When we were 3rd Monk wasn’t a great manager, and he isn’t an awful one this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanningtonowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Burnsie said: I'd say it's more like he's run out of ideas with these players rather than not giving two hoots I’ll give him a tip. Stop telling Dawson to boot the ball long to the opposites centre half or out for a throw in because they then just come and attack us. He can have that for free. Your welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, stanningtonowl said: I’ll give him a tip. Stop telling Dawson to boot the ball long to the opposites centre half or out for a throw in because they then just come and attack us. He can have that for free. Your welcome. Dawson kicking is dreadful and can't see it ever improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: we tried to pass the ball through players? Sorry buddy I was watching a different match, not saying the players were good, they were far from good, but i Dont know what to say if you thought we were trying to pass through midfield , yes we got out fought when the ball kept coming back because it never sticks ( same every game since fletcher is out) as for feeling for monk, it’s like feeling for the kid working at McDonald’s who spits in burgers neither give a flying fizz. At the start of the game that's what we tried to do, I didn't see much lumping forward to start with. We kept on the floor trying to force it through. Had more possession but did nothing with it. That game plan fell apart pretty quickly. I know what I watched. I watched a midfield 5 giving no support to backs. For their goal, who was busting a gut to get back to cover for the mistake, no one. Bannan arrived as the ball hits the back of the net with his little skip and a jump. People on here are seeing what they want to because they dislike Monk. The workrate of the whole team is poor and has been for a while. Then you have numtpys blaming Dawson for the goal. I will pay little attention to views and opinions of people suggesting that was his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, vulva said: The clamour to sack Monk is driven by fans desire just to ‘do something’. Although he isn’t covering himself in glory, he’s picked up an absolute shitshow here, which has been rehearsing for 3 years. When we were 3rd Monk wasn’t a great manager, and he isn’t an awful one this morning. Spot on Vulva. Monk is the latest one who is now understanding the poison within the club. He probably needs to go for his own sanity. Followed by everyone else in 16 games time, playing staff, back room & coaching staff. Swallow the EFL punishment and clear the decks for a complete top down overhaul. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bruce got an indication of the situation and got out as soon as an opportunity arose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 hours ago, agentwalker said: Sounds like a man lost of ideas waiting to be shown the door. Can't even look the reports in the eye when responding. From listening to that it sounds to me what he's saying is. I'm telling the players what to do on the pitch but some are not listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 You need a manager who commands respect, through age and experience. ’Young’ managers have repeatedly failed at this club when trying to manage players who are more talented and have been more successful than them. They are just like unruly children repeatedly taking the p1ss out of the teacher. Most of them just need to grow up and understand the impact they are having beyond their own petulant cliquey bubble. Just my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesdaywizard Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 There's definitely a player power issue. Look at Jos. We all clamoured to get shut of him. Banished Westwood and Hutchinson, introduced some kids to the first team, results started to plummet. It's very familiar and there's a lot of control in the hands of the SAME GROUP OF PLAYERS. Jos got the bullet and the fans fury. It's looking like he was ahead of his time. Clear out needed asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-owls Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, vulva said: The clamour to sack Monk is driven by fans desire just to ‘do something’. Although he isn’t covering himself in glory, he’s picked up an absolute shitshow here, which has been rehearsing for 3 years. When we were 3rd Monk wasn’t a great manager, and he isn’t an awful one this morning. Well said. I'm not necessarily Monk's biggest fan, but the problems are far deeper than just getting rid of him. We have an owner who won't listen, won't learn and won't take any responsibility. We can blame players and managers but the root cause lies firmly at the top. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Wicket Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 hours ago, CrosbyKitchens said: He managed Leeds Ffs. He’s been failing for 8 weeks, whereas the players have been failing for most of their careers But at least the Leeds players were trying, some this lot we have are just going through the motions and look like they don't care. Before Christmas we were lauding him for getting us up to third. What's happened in that dressing room to make them implode like this? The 2 cup wins and a win away at Leeds show they still have it in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 And Monk is an easy target. He’s always the one giving the interviews, defending the situation. He’s captain, CEO and chairman etc rolled into one. Picking FF at left back might be his Irvine coaching badge moment, but at the minute it feels like he’s the captain of the ship hanging onto the end of the bar whilst everyone else is onshore ordering a dry martini, waving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 hours ago, NeonLeon said: Put whoever you want in his position and you’d get that interview after 20 games. The squad is rotten to the core with no interest in advancing the club or themselves. It’s a team where 90% are on the biggest payday their mediocre careers will ever see. Klopp would look that despondent after the 6 months of crap Monk has dealt with. Some of your points are reasonable but surely Monk has to take some responsibility; limited tactics, style of play, strange substitutions. I'm sure Klopp wouldn't play FF at wing back; what's next Nuhiu centre half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 The interview this week where Monk said we weren’t going up was his biggest mistake. It gave the players an excuse. They are on the beach, and no full well they won’t be here next season. Agents will have been in these players ears for months now, with the main conversation focusing on not getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, wednesdaywizard said: There's definitely a player power issue. Look at Jos. We all clamoured to get shut of him. Banished Westwood and Hutchinson, introduced some kids to the first team, results started to plummet. It's very familiar and there's a lot of control in the hands of the SAME GROUP OF PLAYERS. Jos got the bullet and the fans fury. It's looking like he was ahead of his time. Clear out needed asap. Same players not being played by two managers now. Republic of Ireland playing the iirc Millwall keeper who wasn't first choice for Millwall at the time in preference of the keeper who was looked at as being the best keeper in the Championship at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, LittleG said: Some of your points are reasonable but surely Monk has to take some responsibility; limited tactics, style of play, strange substitutions. I'm sure Klopp wouldn't play FF at wing back; what's next Nuhiu centre half! Wouldn't be disappointed to see Nuhiu at centre half. He can hold on to the ball and has a decent pass in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnishOwl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, vulva said: He’s captain, CEO and chairman etc rolled into one. That is what I find strange. Where is the captain being interviewed after the last couple of horrible performances? Or at least him making a statement of how they see this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, FinnishOwl said: That is what I find strange. Where is the captain being interviewed after the last couple of horrible performances? Or at least him making a statement of how they see this situation. Well he dunt seem to say much on the pitch during a game so why would he start off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Never been a captain...far too reticent. the bloke is stopper. a lump with zero technical ability or pace or the ability to organise, rally or motivate others. When on form he is solid alongside An organiser but only as a wall. If you give Tom Lees a decision to make, it will be a negative one. If you give Tom Lees the ball he will pass back or hoof it forward....there is nothing in between. It was embarrassing watching him in the Basham role last night. Just completely beyond his skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkowl.74 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 11 hours ago, bobness said: If the players have given up, when we were sitting 3rd in the league, it's the players we should be directing our frustration at... This is a valid point and it can't be just because we had Fletch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnwood62 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Why doesn’t he just resign lost the dressing room and players not willing to fight for him, the ones that suffer are the fans paying a lot of money to watch dross, if we’re not careful we’ll be in a relegation fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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