Interview

[Ante's Bubbly]

9 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

I’m just sat here shaking my head, wtf westwood and Hutchinson  who haven’t kicked a ball in the past few games are to blame for our tactics , game plan and poor performances.  I’m just gobsmacked at what some people type 

How can they be responsible that is rdiculous, but if they were not such a pair of big mouthedz big headed tw@ts they would be playing. You cannot show the club, players and the manager the kind of disrespect these two prize dix have shown and expect to continue to play every week as though everything is hunky dory though either. So effectively two players who can offer something to the team, when they are on form, have ruled themselves out. The club has enough troubles from outside the club without having splits within the squad too.

 

I think most people's gripes with the rest of the squad are valid. We had Loovens for several years too long and still have not found a regular replacement for him. We still need two fullbacks, at least one regular goalscorer, a creative midfield player and a defensive midfield player, all of whom should be capable of playing 40 plus games a season at a consistent 7/10 level. Insead we've got DC bringing in dozens of sub standard brainless players and expecting one manager after another to be able to scrape a promotion challenging team out of them. It will not happen until somebody who knows what they are doing is given the opportunity to build a team with at least a bit of character.

[Dick_Turpin]

3 hours ago, Royal_D said:

Best post on here all day to be honest , nail on head pal 

 

Same old mugs falling for Hutch and Westys antics, bit embarrassing really 

So the players are bang to rights for falling out with 2 managers - although we don’t know the full facts. What about a manager that gets sacked by say Middlesbrough and Birmingham with various allegations swirling around about him? That’s two different chairmen with similar views. Must be dodgy mustn’t he? Or should we reserve judgement? 

[Ante's Bubbly]

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29 minutes ago, doubled123456 said:

He has no idea

 

He has no idea how his players can show him what they can do one week then are completely unable or unwilling to do the same again every game. Garry Monk played for Swansea in all four divisions and captained them for most of his time there. Any idea how that came about? I would not question Monks knowledge of the game, his commitment, his leadership skills, or his determination. The only thing I would knock Monk for, is his inability to understand how too few of our players have the brains, drive or determination to suceed as players, or as part of a team the way he did. 

[Socialist_Owl]

2 hours ago, rickygoo said:

So the players are bang to rights for falling out with 2 managers - although we don’t know the full facts. What about a manager that gets sacked by say Middlesbrough and Birmingham with various allegations swirling around about him? That’s two different chairmen with similar views. Must be dodgy mustn’t he? Or should we reserve judgement? 

Its much more telling that the same two players are frozen out by multiple managers than just a manager being dismissed from previous employ.

[Socialist_Owl]

6 hours ago, Tyto Alba said:

The system should fit the players not the other way round.

We needs a director, agreed.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Socialist_Owl

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

10 hours ago, 2roland2 said:

to address the bottom bit I actually think players have Instincts but certain tactics and game plans they are expected to execute  don’t fit their style, I honestly think the capacity to play monks style only fits fletcher and Harris when fletcher plays. 
the rest aren’t cut to play this way, that’s why good and half decent players are looking poor right now. 
 

 

Fair enough. Can I ask though. In the first 15 at Luton what style do you think they were trying to play?

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

10 hours ago, Tyto Alba said:

The system should fit the players not the other way round.

It just shows how one dimensional our players are doesn't it.

People are criticising Monk for being one dimensional with no plan B but you are saying the same if the players aren't you?

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

7 hours ago, 2roland2 said:

I’m just sat here shaking my head, wtf westwood and Hutchinson  who haven’t kicked a ball in the past few games are to blame for our tactics , game plan and poor performances.  I’m just gobsmacked at what some people type 

Do you honestly think they are not in and around the squad at training, WhatsApp groups etc.

You see cliques in all other walks of life. Why do you think footballers desperate to get a new deal are any different.

[Dick_Turpin]

4 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said:

Its much more telling that the same two players are frozen out by multiple managers than just a manager being dismissed from previous employ.

He wasn’t just sacked though was he? There were allegations. In both cases it’s two - managers and chairmen. 

[theowlsman]

In his last couple of interviews, he’s been away with the fairies, staring into the distance.

 

Maybe he sees dead people?

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

24 minutes ago, theowlsman said:

In his last couple of interviews, he’s been away with the fairies, staring into the distance.

 

Maybe he sees dead people?

He looks tired, stressed and dismayed. When he adds despair to that list he'll be gone.

 

A lot of SWFC managers have looked like that after a while. Even Carlos.

Wonder why that is.

[billyblack]

1 minute ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said:

He looks tired, stressed and dismayed. When he adds despair to that list he'll be gone.

 

A lot of SWFC managers have looked like that after a while. Even Carlos.

Wonder why that is.

Hes on his own generally from what i can see. Where is his support network? Doesnt have his own team of coaches, no board or director of football to talk to. Must be like the Alamo. Seems a tough gig to me whoevers there. At least Bruce brought his own team which i guess was mandatory on his terms. I guess Monk doesnt have the same clout. Thats probably an issue for DC, bigger manager you get, more caveats come with them. 

[frastheowl]

8 hours ago, 2roland2 said:

So basically it’s the entire squad of players to blame, not monk or our same tried and tired tactics that have t worked for nearly 3 months. If this was bruce or Jos or Carlos, you would be jumping up and down creaming for blood. 
because this guy blagged a post match interview laying into the players he’s now got to be given time, time no other manager would deserve nor should he. 
you talk about people falling for it, sorry buddy but you have fallen for a man trying to cling onto his job hook line and sinker. 

 

 

If you actually read the post, you'll see I've said, Monk is beginning to make mistakes.

 

But the only mugs here who are falling for it (again), are the ones who are solely blaming the manager for whats going off (again!).

 

Seriously, how many times does it need to happen until these "beloved, can-do-no-wrong" wasters we've got that pull on the shirt every Saturday, are actually seen for what they are?

 

Of course Monk isn't blameless, he's feeling the pressure, and is making some rash decisions. But if you think the same thing won't happen under another manager, once they figure out what the problems are, then seriously, there's literally no point having a discussion. 

[OxonOwl]

I don't think there are many amongst the owner, managing staff , coaching staff and players that are blameless.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

1 hour ago, 2roland2 said:

so what your saying then is that the other players on the field are all in the clique? Or are you saying the players he’s picked are all weak as fizz and can’t put in a shift because of the clique? 
either way of the players playing aren’t good enough or too weak then he’s backing the wrong players. 
 

I'm only trying to rationalise what we think we know and what is being discussed here and how that can affect a group of players.

If there are genuinely a small group of senior players who are disrupting the group then that can only be bad for the group.

It's very easy to drag everyone else down with one or two dissenting voices. 

Something underlying is obviously wrong and it has been under several managers yet always seems to involve the same players.

It strikes me ('scuse the pun) of the way unions operate.

If we had a proper captain and leader in the dressing room who bled for the club he'd probably have kicked the poo out of whoever was causing trouble long ago.

 

What we really need is a tell all fly on the wall documentary showing us all how poo it really is in the club at the moment and who the main protagonists are.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

13 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

 

A bit like the players im honestly not sure, for the first ten minutes or so we seemed to just be asleep and defending and then the ball coming straight back at us.

 

The rest of the game was aimless punts upfield from panicky defenders and again the ball coming back constantly with no defensive midfielders barring palmer.

 

I've not been the only one to say that the first 10-15 mins we looked quite reasonable and we're trying build through the midfield, passing to feet. That's what I saw.

But, we did not react when they came at us like men possessed and didn't have enough fight to play them at their own game. Then they revert to type. Bannan sitting too deep Lees getting rid of it hoofed upfield in a panic.

Maybe we both need to watch it again although I really don't want to put myself through that again.

 

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

14 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

 

If a squad of players cant play because of 2 or 3 bad apples then we have the weakest set of pro sports people in sporting history.

 

It doesnt wash with me, forget about the rumours and hearsay for a moment, under Jos, even the fans agreed nobody could understand what he was trying to do, his tactics didnt suit the players, and surprise when he left and we changed style we started advancing.

Now people on here keep talking about common denominators, the same thing is happening with Monk, the players dont suit this style now fletcher is out. Im still waiting for anyone on here to tell me who our direct style suits, noone has answered because there isnt an answer to give.

 

It isnt a surprise that a tema of players who cant play to that style look bad, the effort has dropped granted probably through frustration but it makes it look ten times worse becasue they arent the players to play this way, talk about putting square pegs in round holes

It happens at all levels, from stroppy kids to egotistical adults.

 

On the second point we didn't start the game lumping it as we do to Fletch or Nuihu. We were trying to play. It seems that style of play doesn't suit our players either.

So what style of play does suit our players other than the one where hutch and Bannan stand on the toes of the defense and the forwards have to come to halfway to pick the ball up.

I've been watching them draw or lose games like that for years now.

 

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

5 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

 

Sorry mate, but if you thought we were reasonable and trying to build through midfield at the beginning then we certainly arent going to agree. We werent reasonable at any point in that match, and even conceded a penalty after 20 seconds.

 

If you think we were playing football then your standards of what you see as football is very low.

 

Each to their own, but i didnt see us trying to do anything apart from defend from the ball coming back and them dominating the game from minute 1 to 95

 

Like i said people have different views and i accept that, but no matter what you believe, we are going backwards, in results and performance. 

We'll beg to differ then. But I know what I saw.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

4 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

 

Im not sure what match you watched.

 

It seems to me that you and a few others are insinuating that our players are doing this and ignoring monk so what gives you that idea? Bannan hasnt done that in all the years we have had him until Monk came in, he hadnt dropped deep every game and pinged constant glory direct/long balls before then.

 

So why do you think this is his idea and not Monk telling him to do so?  Im all up for a possible explanation because for the life of me i cant find one.

Are you gaslighting me?

 

 

Under Carlos towards the end, Bullen, Jos, Bullen, Bruce (occasionally) and now Monk.

 

I've not been imagining it. It's been a gripe of mine and others for a while. I think at one point under Bullen Bannan was virtually left back.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

1 minute ago, 2roland2 said:

 

Now you are just rewriting history, hes had grief for it since Monk took over, he splayed so far back this season its criminal and im the biggest moaner regarding that, but to suggesting he has done that since hes been here is laughable. 

 

I will leave it here now with some cliff notes/checklists for the Monk apologists 

Its Hutchinson/FF and westwoods fault

Its the entire playing squads lack of effort

its the entire squads lack of ability

its the players faults for not sticking to a game plan.

 

now what it isnt

It isnt Monks fault because he hasnt got an entirely new squad

it isnt Monks fault because of Chansiri

It isnt Monks fault because the players dont care

It isnt monks fault because no player is good enough

It isnt monks fault because the players dont stick to a game plan

It isnt monks fault because hes tried everything and is fed up 

 

testicles absolute testicles

Well everyone's got their favourites and entitledto their own opinion.

 

I guess we'll leave it at that impasse. 

 

Quite enjoyed the discussion to be honest.