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20 hours ago, Dronfield Blue said:

 

I just think that our players are shiit.

Who acquired them? 

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As opposed to monk throwing the players under the bus to cover his own one dimensional short comings 

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3 hours ago, rickygoo said:

 

 

Taking first and last at random

 

We beat Leeds 3-0 the week after the Pigs game.

 

The team v Luton

 

Dawson - debut 2016-17

Iorfa - last season

Lees - 2014-15

Borner - this season

Bannan - 2015-16

Lee - 2012-13

Palmer  - 2010-11

Fessi - 2015 -16

Da Cruz - this season

Wickham - this season (don't count previous loan spell)

Windass  - this season

 

so 2 of the 11 were at Wednesday 7 years ago. 

 

Nuhui signed in 2013.  None of Reach, Fox, Hutch, Fletcher, Luongo, Winnall, Rhodes, Moses, Harriss, Murphy etc were here 7 years ago. 

 

I can't be bothered checking the other "facts".

 

Doesn't change the fact that after the pig game, the players downed tools. Leeds match was a one off.

 

The squad has been the same now for the last 6 to 7 years. The core of it has been together now for 5 years. There has been a few additions but no major sales. 

 

Either way, it doesn't matter what the starting 11 is, the rest I'd them are there and the rot is there regardless of who is starting.

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3 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

So are you saying that the players are deliberately losing on purpose?

Yes.

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Too many of the players aren't either good enough or just need moving on for everyone's sake. 

 

Likewise, Garry Monk isn't up to it either. 

 

His efforts at cajoling the players and/or calling them out has failed miserably and has only been compounded by his tactical ineptness. 

 

No one in their right mind starts pratting about with a system like 3-5-2 for a mid-week game when we have little to no experience of having played it previously. 

 

It is a specialist system which requires certain types of players and plenty of hard work on the training ground. 

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3 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

So are you saying that the players are deliberately losing on purpose?

 

It's easier to believe when you consider Stoke, Blackburn, and the bizarre performance at Wigan. A bit far fetched, maybe,  but wtf happens in their heads in fixtures like this? 

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Just now, The only way is S6 said:

 

It's easier to believe when you consider Stoke, Blackburn, and the bizarre performance at Wigan. A bit far fetched, maybe,  but wtf happens in their heads in fixtures like this? 

 

Frustrating init? At Christmas I was just about to start believing that we a realistic chance of the playoffs.  Now it's just gone to pot.   Is it just bad form or something deeper and I have to start believing some of the crap conspiracy theories.

 

Bugger

 

  

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1 hour ago, Plonk said:

As opposed to monk throwing the players under the bus to cover his own one dimensional short comings 


the players and Monk are as bad as each other imo. 

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1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

Frustrating init? At Christmas I was just about to start believing that we a realistic chance of the playoffs.  Now it's just gone to pot.   Is it just bad form or something deeper and I have to start believing some of the crap conspiracy theories.

 

Bugger

 

  

 

Got to 6th under Jos, season went down the toilet, got to 3rd under Monkfish, ditto. Vertigo? Complacency, job done? Would it be any easier or entertaining if we were annual failures like Derby? Even Preston & Bristol City have maintained their season. And Cardiff. Forest as well now ffs.

Why can't we maintain a push? Why does our blip last 2 feckin months?!

 

:ghoulguy:

 

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All those clubs have been trying for promotion as long as us near enough.  Maybe just maybe its just not that easy as just wanting promotion.

 

Missing some vital ingredient and none of us can put our finger on it. 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Doesn't change the fact that after the pig game, the players downed tools. Leeds match was a one off.

 

The squad has been the same now for the last 6 to 7 years. The core of it has been together now for 5 years. There has been a few additions but no major sales. 

 

Either way, it doesn't matter what the starting 11 is, the rest I'd them are there and the rot is there regardless of who is starting.

So they stopped trying after the Leeds game? And you mean the last 5 years not 7?

 

Make your mind up.

 

lol

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11 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

All in all though, 47 people agree with me that the players have once again thrown their manager to the dogs. Whilst 15 agree with you on your points that the players arent to blame for their poor performances.

 

So yeah.

 

Fair enough, if we are judging the credibility of posts on likes you can have this one, I must remember to refer back to this for some of your future posts though as if this had been the basis for credibility in the past you would be struggling! :ph34r:

 

You state you didn't include Bruce in your argument as he was only here for 4 months. You did include Bullen though as it suited your point. How many games did he manage?

 

I never said the players shouldn't shoulder any of the blame, in fact I said they should take some responsibility but the manager brought in to manage them is making a good job of it. 

As for someone getting to the 3 new players already and encouraging them to throw the manager under the bus within a week of being here - really? Who?

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23 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Another manager that our beloved players have strung up and chucked under the bus for their own gains. 

 

We wont go down, cos the lads will start putting a shift back in when it looks like we will.

 

That is now Carlos, Jos, Bullen twice and Monk that the players have given up playing for and it is indefensible.

 

Yet some will still solely blame the gaffer.

 

This 100%.

 

How many times does it need to happen for people to see it?!

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4 minutes ago, frastheowl said:

 

This 100%.

 

How many times does it need to happen for people to see it?!

Some of our fans still have this weird, blind loyalty to a bunch of players who nearly achieved something. 

 

A group of player who nearly got promoted from the second tier of English football and have been paid far more than many of their peers at the same level. 

 

A group of players who have shafted at least three (four, if you include Bullen) managers in the last five or so years and whose not to say they wouldn't have shafted Bruce too?!

 

Oh, and a group of players that has certain members (Hutchinson and Westwood) who have now been banished from the first team by two managers. 

 

Monk isn't up to it, but it is so patently obvious that there are players employed at Sheffield Wednesday who need to be binned off ASAP.  

 

Edited by SiJ

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1 hour ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

WOW Shouldn't you report them?

 

Isn't it fraud? 

 

Our squad must be better than I thought. We're trying to deliberately lose games but we're still able to register current form of W3, D2, L3 in all competitions? Imagine how good we'd be if they started trying again? :ohmy: 

 

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10 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Oh, and a group of players that has certain members (Hutchinson and Westwood) who have now been banished from the first team by two managers. 

I’d wear it as a badge of honour to be banished by that pair. 

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23 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Fair enough, if we are judging the credibility of posts on likes you can have this one, I must remember to refer back to this for some of your future posts though as if this had been the basis for credibility in the past you would be struggling! :ph34r:

 

You state you didn't include Bruce in your argument as he was only here for 4 months. You did include Bullen though as it suited your point. How many games did he manage?

 

I never said the players shouldn't shoulder any of the blame, in fact I said they should take some responsibility but the manager brought in to manage them is making a good job of it. 

As for someone getting to the 3 new players already and encouraging them to throw the manager under the bus within a week of being here - really? Who?

Bullen was in for the job. Beat QPR and he'd have got it. Doesnt matter how long he was here for. The players threw him under the bus so he didnt get the job. He's supposed to be their mate too.

 

My guess is one of the exiled ones, or possibly Bannan. 

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23 minutes ago, frastheowl said:

 

This 100%.

 

How many times does it need to happen for people to see it?!

None so blind as those that can't see.

 

Or in this case, choose not to see.

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8 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I’d wear it as a badge of honour to be banished by that pair. 

Yeah...

 

Everyone loves a malcontent at work who causes disruption, makes life difficult for others and looks to be counter productive. 

 

What a ridicilous thing to say. 

 

I can't understand how you can so vocal in your criticism to Chansiri (as it transpires, quite rightly) and yet seemingly be happy for some of our top earners to take the pi55. 

 

Bizarre. 

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