Beauchief Owl Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, darra said: I agree but some of those coming to the end of their contracts are at an age where at best they're looking at another championship club on lower wages or league 1. Ross Wallace from the championship to the lower end of the Scottish premiership for example That's another way of saying they'll be paid what their worth not what they're currently getting. TBH all those released over the last two summers will be receiving far less than they did with DC, with the possible exception of Hooper. It really ought to be an incentive to show what they have to offer, if not for us, but for prospective new employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Minton said: Firstly, part time? Clearly you have no knowledge of what a professional player does. They are training every day they aren't playing (with the possible exception of the morning after a matchday) along with the personal nutrition and gym work, tactical work, commercial commitments, club commitments and a hundred and one other little bits they have to do. They work more hours than the average person, that's for sure. It's not a bad life, but don't be under the illusion that it's an easy life. And secondly, you think our average player wage is £20k? The average wages for the bottom half of the Premier League is below £40k. The grunter's average is £9k, Norwich is £12k and Villa (who spent a lot more on wages than we do) is £25k. I know/have known pro footballers at various levels from PL down to non league and there’s no way they work harder over a year than the average person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, 83owl said: I know/have known pro footballers at various levels from PL down to non league and there’s no way they work harder over a year than the average person. You're right.. they don't. They have different pressures to the man in the street but get well rewarded for it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Tbf, even though I can't understand it...most of them are playing like they're just going through the motions at the moment. Bar Luton (though we will probably help them out tonight), we are the worst team in the Championship right now in terms of form/performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: I’m not a pro footballer, but isn’t having a promotion on your CV enough to motivate you? Having the experience of going up and all the celebrations that go with it. That would do it for me I think. To be fair having listened to a lot of Under the Cosh podcast I'd say most are selfish, rightly so, out to get as much money as they can. Genuinely don't really care massively about the fans or club they play for. See teammates as the biggest threat to their own success and generally cut themselves off from the world of football fans. Its not to say this is wrong but to most mid to older players they see it as a job rather than bleeding and dying for the cause. Its the reality of footballers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Struggling to get motivated....if they are out of the door at the end of the season they won't want the reputation of 'downing tools' when things get a bit tough Most clubs now look at the character of the player, not just their ability... unless if course they aren't the brightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, TheEnchanter said: To be fair having listened to a lot of Under the Cosh podcast I'd say most are selfish, rightly so, out to get as much money as they can. Genuinely don't really care massively about the fans or club they play for. See teammates as the biggest threat to their own success and generally cut themselves off from the world of football fans. Its not to say this is wrong but to most mid to older players they see it as a job rather than bleeding and dying for the cause. Its the reality of footballers. Does that make them any different from the average person though? I don't know many people who would bleed and die for Sandra in HR. Particularly when you know that in 5-10 years you will be out of a job, permanently. Making the most of a short career (one that is one bad tackle away from ending tomorrow) can't really be faulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Chris Apolon said: I'd find it INCREDIBLY surprising if all the players had been told now they weren't getting a contract. One or two I get, but not all. In what business is half the workforce told they wouldn't be needed in 3 months time (except business closure/temp contracting/mass redundancy). If this has been done it would merely highlight another odd decision made. Maybe we're just going through a bad run of form - all teams have done it even the mighty brentford and notts forest who both went through similar runs to the one we find ourselves in now It's pity we cannot make players redundant, Pay them 13 weeks wages and let them go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: It's pity we cannot make players redundant, Pay them 13 weeks wages and let them go. You can, it's called mutual termination. It doesn't work with the transfer windows though now as the player can't be replaced with anyone other than someone else on a free transfer, who isn't match fit. It's also a big lump sum to pay. If they had been on loan previously they can't play for another team until the summer if they had been registered in the squad too. Edited February 12, 2020 by Minton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striggy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, robowl4life said: Didums. I actually think @Minton made a good reasoned point. I am sure some people on here think that all they do is turn up on a Saturday afternoon. Injured players actually need to report and often have to put in an extraordinary amount of rehabilitation work. Most are overpaid for sure, but sacrifice a lot. Your response is somewhat childish. 1 "nobody told me there would be days like these!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Who said owt about replacing a redundant player instantly?. The object would be to get the running costs of the business down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Minton said: Firstly, part time? Clearly you have no knowledge of what a professional player does. They are training every day they aren't playing (with the possible exception of the morning after a matchday) along with the personal nutrition and gym work, tactical work, commercial commitments, club commitments and a hundred and one other little bits they have to do. They work more hours than the average person, that's for sure. It's not a bad life, but don't be under the illusion that it's an easy life. And secondly, you think our average player wage is £20k? The average wages for the bottom half of the Premier League is below £40k. The grunter's average is £9k, Norwich is £12k and Villa (who spent a lot more on wages than we do) is £25k. Our average weekly wage was reported to be £17,476 by Maguire so there’ll be plenty at the club earning more than 20k a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Majority of these are a bunch of wage stealing wasters. Sooner they go the better. Personally not sure if Monk is the right man to take us forward, he somehow needs to motivate these players that he does still want and get us winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: Who said owt about replacing a redundant player instantly?. The object would be to get the running costs of the business down. You have a limited number of players available due to squad size restrictions, restricts your options if players are injured or suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The way the players downed tools at Wigan tells you that this mob haven’t got the passion or desire to take this club up In recent years we’ve sat back and watched sides gain promotion who’ve had nowhere near as much talent in their squad as ours (Cardiff, Pigs, Norwich,Huddersfield), but they did it because they had the right mentality and the desire to do so. Ours don’t and barring a few (Dawson, Fox, Palmer, Harris, Borner, Iorfa, Loungo and Fletcher) I want to see the back of the lot of em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, nilsson said: Our average weekly wage was reported to be £17,476 by Maguire so there’ll be plenty at the club earning more than 20k a week It was Chansiri’s second season when the wages got silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stoop said: It was Chansiri’s second season when the wages got silly Yeah the average weekly wage was £6,445 in 2015 when Chansiri arrived and a lot of our players (Westwood, Palmer, Lees, Lee, Hutchinson) were already at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I doubt any of the players who are out of contract at end of the season have been told directly they wont be getting a new one at Wednesday. But they must know that if the club was keen on keeping them they would have been offered something by now. I am sure most will have a vibe they will be moving on in the summer and have already got they agent to sound out other clubs to see if they are wanted elsewhere next season. Each player reacts differently, some will be busting a gut to show they worth to get a contract here or elsewhere, other will subconsciously switch off and lose they edge knowing they are already made for life and wont be here next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Minton said: Firstly, part time? Clearly you have no knowledge of what a professional player does. They are training every day they aren't playing (with the possible exception of the morning after a matchday) along with the personal nutrition and gym work, tactical work, commercial commitments, club commitments and a hundred and one other little bits they have to do. They work more hours than the average person, that's for sure. It's not a bad life, but don't be under the illusion that it's an easy life. And secondly, you think our average player wage is £20k? The average wages for the bottom half of the Premier League is below £40k. The grunter's average is £9k, Norwich is £12k and Villa (who spent a lot more on wages than we do) is £25k. Oh dear , I will start a fund for underpaid over worked footballers, bless them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilbyj Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Why play football, or any sport, or enter into any competition if you don't ultimately want to win. They're still getting paid, so surely the motivation is try to win every match. Earn your next deal elsewhere if your not getting one here. If you bagged 25 goals there more chance of a fat prem contract than there is if you got 3 or 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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