Stoop Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, quinnssweetshop said: 25 league games and he has a worse record than Jos after his first 25 league games. 37 points out of 25 games for Jos 33 points out of 25 games for Monk Ooooh that’s a bit of a worrying stat Tbf though, Jos didn’t do too bad in the first season. It was the season after where he went completely mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 08/02/2020 at 16:10, Beholder said: I disagree with this thread. It's too soon and it's too easy to blame the manager. Monk was doing very well until just before Christmas when we lost Fletcher. I think he will turn it round. I wish I could agree with you Beholder, I really do but I can’t see one crumb of comfort, not even a small sign of recovery or improvement. I think we’re slowly getting worse and the manager is losing credibility with the fans and the players. How do you think Monk can turn it around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 08/02/2020 at 16:57, Matt_1 said: Chopping the manager would be the wrong thing to do. We need to rebuild. We were prepared to guve Bruce the time, we should be prepared to give Monk the same. Monk NEEDS to bring some coaching staff in. Generally I’m with you that constant chopping and changing of managers will not bring success. We were prepared to give Bruce time because we could all see and hear what he was trying to achieve so we were able to get on board with him. What is Monk trying to do? No one knows therefore, give him time to do what? Look what Bruce has done with relegation favourites and to turn around a hostile fan base compared to what Monk has done with promotion outsiders and an expectant fan base (in much the same time period) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: I wish I could agree with you Beholder, I really do but I can’t see one crumb of comfort, not even a small sign of recovery or improvement. I think we’re slowly getting worse and the manager is losing credibility with the fans and the players. How do you think Monk can turn it around? Just scrape a win with this new group of players. And get Fox , Luongo and then fletch back. This team would win games Wickham. Fletcher Forestieri. Lee. Luongo DeCruz Fox. Borner. Iorfa. Palmer Dawson Wins breed condence Edited February 9, 2020 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Beholder said: Just scrape a win with this new group of players. And get Fox , Luongo and then fletch back. This team would win games Wickham. Fletcher Forestieri. Lee. Luongo DeCruz Fox. Borner. Iorfa. Palmer Dawson Wins breed condence Looks nice on paper, but there's no chance that Bannan is getting dropped for Lee. Edited February 9, 2020 by SiJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 08/02/2020 at 17:19, bubbleowl said: A club is all about a good spine, the problem is that it's the same spine for the last 4 years This is becoming an urban legend. If by spine you mean through the middle of the team then Dawson, Borner, Joey (Luongo) Windass, Wickham (Fletcher, Winnal) haven’t been here for 4 years. Neither have Iorfa, Fox, Harris, Reach, Murphy for the record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beholder said: Just scrape a win with this new group of players. And get Fox , Luongo and then fletch back. This team would win games Wickham. Fletcher Forestieri. Lee. Luongo DeCruz Fox. Borner. Iorfa. Palmer Dawson Wins breed condence What no Bannan Monk won't be having any of that thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Blue and white said: What no Bannan Monk won't be having any of that thank you. Think you might be wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, sonofbert2 said: Think you might be wrong here. I hope I am, he is the most overrated player in the squad but sadly he seems untouchable despite a number of poor performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Well I still have a feeling he'll see us reyt. Can see him being a modern day Wilko. We won't be pretty but we'll be fit, strong and give 100% every game. It'll take a while to come through whilst he juggles a bonkers owner, egos and bullies in the dressing room and a demanding fan base but no other bugger wanted to take the job in a hurry. I think he's got a determination to prove a point and will build a hungry, younger and much more competitive squad next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendoddsdadsdogsdead Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, SiJ said: Looks nice on paper, but there's no chance that Bannan is getting dropped for Lee. But he should be dropped SiJ and therein lies the problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, The Horse said: Well I still have a feeling he'll see us reyt. Can see him being a modern day Wilko. We won't be pretty but we'll be fit, strong and give 100% every game. It'll take a while to come through whilst he juggles a bonkers owner, egos and bullies in the dressing room and a demanding fan base but no other bugger wanted to take the job in a hurry. I think he's got a determination to prove a point and will build a hungry, younger and much more competitive squad next season. Biggest issue for me with this post is that Wilko understood how to play the long ball game. There were always 2 strikers. One to win flick ons or hold up, one to play off the target man. Because we basically bypassed midfield, our midfielders played in advanced positions in support of the target man. Also we played much more in wide areas than people give credit for, with overlapping fullbacks like Sterland , Snodin and Worthington and wide players on their correct wings like Marwood and Chamberlain. The team relentlessly played balls into the area. If it was possible to play forward, it went forward. Monk doesn’t play with a second striker, or overlapping fullbacks. He favours 2 deep midfielders who continually slow play down. Going sideways and backwards until closed down and there is no option but to whack the ball aimlessly long. His wide players play on the wrong side, cutting inside into congested areas. In short his tactics (if you can call them that) are to play long and direct without understanding how to do it correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I have absolutely no issue with Monk. These players are a joke and he’s set on changing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Jon Newsome said: So everytime we have a bad run we should sack the manager and start again, no wonder we've been going in circles for 20 years. Completely lost interest in the modern game. If the manager can't do the job it's no point just hoping he'll change. His tactics ( hate the use the term with his ) have been awful. Other than Bruce, we've seen a succession on bullshitters get the Job. Carlos, Jos and Monk Only one way we are heading with Monk and that's league 1, he can't even grind out a performance against Barnsley Not only is it a results issue, it's a performance issue too. They have been dire and mismanaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, CrosbyKitchens said: I have absolutely no issue with Monk. These players are a joke and he’s set on changing it. I have, it's called heading for relegation. Not only that, with one of the largest wage bills and club overheads with it. Edited February 10, 2020 by quinnssweetshop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, quinnssweetshop said: I have, it's called heading for relegation. Not only that, with one of the largest wage bills and club overheads with it. Tuesday night we shall bottom of that table. Nailed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: Tuesday night we shall bottom of that table. Nailed on. I hope you haven’t bet on that, as the game is on Wednesday night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxine Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Monk out Chansiri out Players out We're in a right mess aren't we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: Tuesday night we shall bottom of that table. Nailed on. If indeed we do lose on Wednesday Monk must be on his last legs. Players deserve so much of the blame but eventually the manager deserves some also, it’s his job to motivate, employ the correct tactics, get the best out of what he has at his disposal. He isn’t doing any of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, WalthamOwl said: If indeed we do lose on Wednesday Monk must be on his last legs. Players deserve so much of the blame but eventually the manager deserves some also, it’s his job to motivate, employ the correct tactics, get the best out of what he has at his disposal. He isn’t doing any of those things. Yep. There are obviously deeper problems, but it can be the case that in general the club is badly led but also specifically the first team manager isn't up to the job. People talk about this being the set of players that failed three and four years ago. But that's daft. If Monk could produce a team that reached the play off two years running, he'd not have done a bad job. This has never looked a play off squad to me, but it has certainly looked like an upper mid table squad. I think he is getting both performances and now results which are weaker than the resource available. Quite a lot weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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