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21 minutes ago, 0114 said:

Massive ever present for them in midfield over the last 3 seasons. 
 

18/19: 43 apps in all comps 

17/18: 39 apps in all comps 

16/17: 38 apps in all comps

 

Clubs done some terrible business in recent years. But signing a proven 26 year old Championship midfielder like Luongo for around £1m is great business. 

 

I agree and love the feller to bits. Definitely one of our better signings, but for whatever reason, when our midfield had problems with a struggling Lee and Hutchinson, we were not starting with our new super fit, running tackling, scoring  midfielder, who like you say was an ever present for QPR. Bullen definitely said something about him being "managed" or something like that, when he was asked at the time and I remember that much because, we were watching our midfield struggle and wondering why the answer to all our problems was not being used. He has been injured on and off since then and has only started 9 out of our 30 games so far. If you are struggling in midfield you do not wait to play a fit midfielder for the last 5 or 10 minutes of a game which we did often, so Bullen's comments although not giving much away, did explain why Massimo was not playing so many minutes when he first arrived. Massimo's "unavailability" to play for us was questionable at the time, because we were questioning it!

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I thought the problem for Luongo was that he wasn’t included in qpr’s pre season and had no pre season work.

Therefore we basically had to start from scratch and the lack of a pre season seems to have affected him.

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1 minute ago, Ante's Bubbly said:

 

I agree and love the feller to bits. Definitely one of our better signings, but for whatever reason, when our midfield had problems with a struggling Lee and Hutchinson, we were not starting with our new super fit, running tackling, scoring  midfielder, who like you say was an ever present for QPR. Bullen definitely said something about him being "managed" or something like that, when he was asked at the time and I remember that much because, we were watching our midfield struggle and wondering why the answer to all our problems was not being used. He has been injured on and off since then and has only started 9 out of our 30 games so far. If you are struggling in midfield you do not wait to play a fit midfielder for the last 5 or 10 minutes of a game which we did often, so Bullen's comments although not giving much away, did explain why Massimo was not playing so many minutes when he first arrived. Massimo's "unavailability" to play for us was questionable at the time, because we were questioning it!

I think Bullen was referencing that he had been left out of pre season at QPR when arriving with us. When he arrived he needed time to get fit, maybe one of the reasons he’s been stop and start. 

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33 minutes ago, 0114 said:

Massive ever present for them in midfield over the last 3 seasons. 
 

18/19: 43 apps in all comps 

17/18: 39 apps in all comps 

16/17: 38 apps in all comps

 

Clubs done some terrible business in recent years. But signing a proven 26 year old Championship midfielder like Luongo for around £1m is great business. 

I like luongo but he seems to have got the Wednesday curse regards injuries , only here could he get a red card get 3 match ban get it overturned and be injured during that time. he seems to be getting different injures too ,he banged his head at stoke ,other issues since. 

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On 01/02/2020 at 18:07, TINKERBELL said:

Now player fallouts with manager. Can it get any worse. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if monk decided enough is enough and resigned. 

well ive got my fingers crossed, would rather see him leave than two of our best players.

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4 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

Why were there question marks over Luongo's fitness when he signed for us?

 

Hadn't he been an ever-present for QPR last season?

 

Looked to be struggling fitness wise when we played Everton at Hillsborough earlier in the season.

 

Didn't have a pre season with QPR though, anyone know why?

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8 minutes ago, Ash76 said:

 

Didn't have a pre season with QPR though, anyone know why?

 

Wasn't that simply because he wanted to leave and refused to sign a new contract, so they simply put him on gardening leave.

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Knowing our luck Luango has underlying injury which QPR knew about. Probably getting revenge for selling them Mobley decades ago.:biggrin:

 

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19 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

That doesn't mean there were question marks over his fitness when we signed him, though.

 

He'd been a regular for QPR for several years, so there's no reason to suspect he'd be injury-prone.

 

Not sure why you are being so obtuse on this one? Massimo was one of QPR's star players, with a year left on his contract, we get him for just £1M (allegedly) and our midfield was crying out for a player with all his talents. Our caretaker manager must have thought he was on to a winner yet in answer to the questions being asked he is saying that Massimo is not starting games and being put on for 5 minutes here and 10 minutes there at the start of the season when he should have been clocking minutes up with the rest of our fully fit players, because he was being "managed"! Yet to you that does not mean that there are question marks about his fitness? Sorry mate but I reckon that at least one of our new signings this January will play more than 78 minutes over the next 4 games and at least one of them definitely has question marks over his fitness! I am not going to argue this point with you, I was only pointing out what we were told, you can draw whatever conclusion you want to, but short of Bullen telling you in person that he didn't play Massimo, because Massimo was not up to it as much as Lee (!) and Hutch (!!) when he first came to us, I am guessing you will not be satisfied! Give him a call and let us know how you get on with that one. Surely you must wonder why so many of our players join us unable to play many games for us, after having a medical, which they surely do (despite us joking about it) and that is the crux of my point.

 

I strongly believe that we should not be bringing in more injured, unfit or injury prone players to the club. We stopped doing it a while ago when Brian Laws was here. He was refused certain players to sign, due to question marks over future fitness, one of whom went on to sign for a certain local side who were not so thorough, or fussy and after their fans had been getting all silly and giddy about it, his injury problem re-surfaced and he never played for them again. The other local side raised their standards after that, while we have lowered ours and this is where it has got us. We have had three to four seasons worth of serious injury problems and it is not because we have just been very unlucky! That's it. Good day to you sir, I am moving on now, because I cannot be bothered to make it any clearer than that. If I could read the stir online I might be able to find you a quote or two, but I guess you are capable of doing that yourself if you are interested enough.

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15 minutes ago, FinnishOwl said:

 

Wasn't that simply because he wanted to leave and refused to sign a new contract, so they simply put him on gardening leave.

 

My mate is a QPR fan and he reckoned that QPR had a big clearout, because they were paying wages that were too high and players like Luongo and  would not take a wage cut. Sounds familiar. I think they got rid of 14 and brought in 17 or maybe the other way round, something like that, but don't quote me (;-)). He also reckoned that Luongo had gone a bit downhill and realised his potential at the club, but thought he may do better with better players around him. Luke Freeman was the fans big favourite, but I wont mention where he went. Les Ferdinand and Lee Hoos reduced the wage bill by 70% and according to Les...  “What I will say is when I came through the door of this football club the wage bill was £68million. It was absolutely insane".

 

Again, this sounds familiar doesn't it? I wonder what still attracts players to our lovely club?

 

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1 hour ago, 0114 said:

I think Bullen was referencing that he had been left out of pre season at QPR when arriving with us. When he arrived he needed time to get fit, maybe one of the reasons he’s been stop and start. 

 

I thought he had only missed one game, because he was rumoured to be going, then he signed for us, but if not, yes maybe you are right. But having seen how knackered he looked walking off after playing for more than half an hour, I would say he had, or has a problem somewhere and Bully was right to "manage" his progress. 

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6 minutes ago, Ante's Bubbly said:

 

I wonder what still attracts players to our lovely club?

 

 

We are one happy family?

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1 hour ago, FinnishOwl said:

 

Wasn't that simply because he wanted to leave and refused to sign a new contract, so they simply put him on gardening leave.

 

No they could no longer afford their big earners. QPR had to get £44M off their wage bill. Massimo must have been on some serious wonga! I suppose we were the obvious choice after Forest dropped out. As for his pre season, he only missed the short tour of Austria. I don't suppose a skint club are going to pay for a player who is not part of their plans to go on holiday with them. Sounds like he could afford to go wherever he wanted.

 

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Not seen much news this week, and only been on Owlstalk sparingly

 

I'm assuming Monk has had a fall out with a player or three

 

Can anyone point me in the direction of what's been said

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1 minute ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said:

Not seen much news this week, and only been on Owlstalk sparingly

 

I'm assuming Monk has had a fall out with a player or three

 

Can anyone point me in the direction of what's been said

Nothing Much mate 

just 2+2 =5 type of thing 

I think we may get more of the picture when the team is announced 

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Told that Hutchinson was approached by the club recently about signing a new deal , whatever’s gone on from there is why the relationship is now where it’s at 

 

Take it or leave it ,  not interested in anyone asking about ‘sources’ or anything else , just sharing the info ! Sharing is caring etc 

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3 hours ago, Royal_D said:

Told that Hutchinson was approached by the club recently about signing a new deal , whatever’s gone on from there is why the relationship is now where it’s at 

 

Take it or leave it ,  not interested in anyone asking about ‘sources’ or anything else , just sharing the info ! Sharing is caring etc 

 

I heard the total opposite. He enquired as to when negotiations over a new contract were to open and the club said they weren't. Full stop. Toys hurled.

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40 minutes ago, Hitcat said:

 

I heard the total opposite. He enquired as to when negotiations over a new contract were to open and the club said they weren't. Full stop. Toys hurled.


Makes more sense, what I was told stooped short of saying what went off after the contract discussions but I got the impression it was the club who approached SH but Monk has heard of it and put his foot down 

 

Who knows, Toys definitely hurled though 

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A new deal for Hutch?  Thankfully someone without the blinders on (Monk) put a stop to that nonsense.  

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On 01/02/2020 at 17:59, prowl said:

Sounds like Sam has been a naughty boy. Maybe one of the players who carries a bit too much influence in the dressing room.

 

The persistence with Pelupessy suggests Hutch has stepped over the line.

 

Speculation obv.

 

Agree with this.

 

We all know how charismatic he is, been at the club a long time, inspiring story as a pro...you can see why players would get behind him.
I have a feeling when the going gets tough, he's not afraid to say it how it is or call out others for doing so....some managers like that some don't.

 

Worth noting, he started every game when fit under CC and Bruce - if you remember it was the first action Bruce took restoring him to the XI alongside KW. Watching Joey play reminds you how good Hutchinson really is.

 

I also don't believe for a second it's an attitude or application problem with Hutchinson, again see all of the above for why.

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