Guest Grez Bez Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: Sounds like we've a few too many "Garry Neville's" around the sqaud. If so it may allude to some of the problems over the last few seasons. Fullbacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hutchinson has given his all time after time. He is the only tackling midfielder we have. (Joey not good enough for regular first team action). Results have shown in the past when he plays we are tighter at the back and dont get overun in midfield. The problem is he offers little going forward and Bannan for some reason often drops back at the side of him when they play together. Im sad to say maybe it is time for Sam to move on and im sure there will be plenty of teams interested. Its now we need to rebuild and get a younger more mobile midfield unit capable of attacking and defending. Others will leave as well but that is football teams have to keep up or stagnate and plummet down the leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) On 02/02/2020 at 07:04, crookesowl said: Hutchinson is done as a SWFC player. As is Westwood. Hopefully there is a good few who are finished here come the end of the season. This squad needs ripping up and starting again, the sooner the better. I would keep Dawson, Borner and Iorfa and get rid of the rest and start afresh. There is plenty of value to be had out there as we have proved with this years recruitment. Edited February 7, 2020 by Blue and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 hours ago, trevdi9 said: In a nutshell players we have that are well below average that somehow manage to brown tongue their way onto the team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 02/02/2020 at 06:30, Inspector Lestrade said: Doesn't make them right though. How often do we misjudge someone? I know right. I read one of your posts and liked it. Never again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 17 hours ago, Ante's Bubbly said: When is that going to happen though? Our player buying pattern of only bringing players in with existing fitness issues just seems to carry on going! Massimo has started less than a third of our league games so far and like a load of players that we have signed since DC took over, he came to us with question marks over his fitness. Not ideal with Bannan (30), Pelupessy (youngest at 26), KL (31) and Hutch (30) as our only other senior central midfield options and all of them having problems with various injuries and ongoing fitness issues. Why were there question marks over Luongo's fitness when he signed for us? Hadn't he been an ever-present for QPR last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Only at Wednesday would a average player with Gammy knees be offered hero status . I don’t blame monk for binning him off , bad influences, and in particular ones who are far from irreplaceable aren’t needed. Every single one of the ‘old guard’ need shipping out as soon as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Whatever the behind scenes issues, Hutch is not the future and time to move on . There are far better players out there, Hutch has been lucky in that the club has stood by him despite his injuries. Most clubs would have got rid sometime ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Why were there question marks over Luongo's fitness when he signed for us? Hadn't he been an ever-present for QPR last season? Massive ever present for them in midfield over the last 3 seasons. 18/19: 43 apps in all comps 17/18: 39 apps in all comps 16/17: 38 apps in all comps Clubs done some terrible business in recent years. But signing a proven 26 year old Championship midfielder like Luongo for around £1m is great business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Why were there question marks over Luongo's fitness when he signed for us? Hadn't he been an ever-present for QPR last season? I remember seeing him play his first full game for us away at Rotherham in the League Cup, after missing out for three weeks since arriving. He had only played a total of 78 minutes up to then, despite Lee looking as though he was struggling and 41 minutes of that was because he had to replace Palmer. Bullen had mentioned in interviews that Luongo was being "managed", or something like that, when asked why he was not starting. The insinuation was that he was either ill, injured or getting back to full fitness. I can't remember exactly what it was, but Massimo's time on the pitch was being "managed", for whatever reason and he was flagging in games where he had played a bit longer than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
should know better Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, 0114 said: Massive ever present for them in midfield over the last 3 seasons. 18/19: 43 apps in all comps 17/18: 39 apps in all comps 16/17: 38 apps in all comps Clubs done some terrible business in recent years. But signing a proven 26 year old Championship midfielder like Luongo for around £1m is great business. Unfortunately inferior to the man he is supposed to replace, not very good at tackling and heading and slow to cover. He might not be fully fit I suppose but anyone who has to carry the lazy Bannan needs to be robust, maybe trying to cover for BB has led to Luongo injuring himself? His record this season is poor. Let us fill the side with poor players who do not try very hard but as a result don't get injured, might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ante's Bubbly said: I remember seeing him play his first full game for us away at Rotherham in the League Cup, after missing out for three weeks since arriving. He had only played a total of 78 minutes up to then, despite Lee looking as though he was struggling and 41 minutes of that was because he had to replace Palmer. Bullen had mentioned in interviews that Luongo was being "managed", or something like that, when asked why he was not starting. The insinuation was that he was either ill, injured or getting back to full fitness. I can't remember exactly what it was, but Massimo's time on the pitch was being "managed", for whatever reason and he was flagging in games where he had played a bit longer than normal. That doesn't mean there were question marks over his fitness when we signed him, though. He'd been a regular for QPR for several years, so there's no reason to suspect he'd be injury-prone. Edited February 7, 2020 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, 0114 said: Massive ever present for them in midfield over the last 3 seasons. 18/19: 43 apps in all comps 17/18: 39 apps in all comps 16/17: 38 apps in all comps Clubs done some terrible business in recent years. But signing a proven 26 year old Championship midfielder like Luongo for around £1m is great business. I agree and love the feller to bits. Definitely one of our better signings, but for whatever reason, when our midfield had problems with a struggling Lee and Hutchinson, we were not starting with our new super fit, running tackling, scoring midfielder, who like you say was an ever present for QPR. Bullen definitely said something about him being "managed" or something like that, when he was asked at the time and I remember that much because, we were watching our midfield struggle and wondering why the answer to all our problems was not being used. He has been injured on and off since then and has only started 9 out of our 30 games so far. If you are struggling in midfield you do not wait to play a fit midfielder for the last 5 or 10 minutes of a game which we did often, so Bullen's comments although not giving much away, did explain why Massimo was not playing so many minutes when he first arrived. Massimo's "unavailability" to play for us was questionable at the time, because we were questioning it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I thought the problem for Luongo was that he wasn’t included in qpr’s pre season and had no pre season work. Therefore we basically had to start from scratch and the lack of a pre season seems to have affected him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Ante's Bubbly said: I agree and love the feller to bits. Definitely one of our better signings, but for whatever reason, when our midfield had problems with a struggling Lee and Hutchinson, we were not starting with our new super fit, running tackling, scoring midfielder, who like you say was an ever present for QPR. Bullen definitely said something about him being "managed" or something like that, when he was asked at the time and I remember that much because, we were watching our midfield struggle and wondering why the answer to all our problems was not being used. He has been injured on and off since then and has only started 9 out of our 30 games so far. If you are struggling in midfield you do not wait to play a fit midfielder for the last 5 or 10 minutes of a game which we did often, so Bullen's comments although not giving much away, did explain why Massimo was not playing so many minutes when he first arrived. Massimo's "unavailability" to play for us was questionable at the time, because we were questioning it! I think Bullen was referencing that he had been left out of pre season at QPR when arriving with us. When he arrived he needed time to get fit, maybe one of the reasons he’s been stop and start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, 0114 said: Massive ever present for them in midfield over the last 3 seasons. 18/19: 43 apps in all comps 17/18: 39 apps in all comps 16/17: 38 apps in all comps Clubs done some terrible business in recent years. But signing a proven 26 year old Championship midfielder like Luongo for around £1m is great business. I like luongo but he seems to have got the Wednesday curse regards injuries , only here could he get a red card get 3 match ban get it overturned and be injured during that time. he seems to be getting different injures too ,he banged his head at stoke ,other issues since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 18:07, TINKERBELL said: Now player fallouts with manager. Can it get any worse. Wouldn't be surprised if monk decided enough is enough and resigned. I well ive got my fingers crossed, would rather see him leave than two of our best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Why were there question marks over Luongo's fitness when he signed for us? Hadn't he been an ever-present for QPR last season? Looked to be struggling fitness wise when we played Everton at Hillsborough earlier in the season. Didn't have a pre season with QPR though, anyone know why? Edited February 7, 2020 by Ash76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnishOwl Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Didn't have a pre season with QPR though, anyone know why? Wasn't that simply because he wanted to leave and refused to sign a new contract, so they simply put him on gardening leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Knowing our luck Luango has underlying injury which QPR knew about. Probably getting revenge for selling them Mobley decades ago. Edited February 7, 2020 by Big Jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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