Guest LondonOwl313 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, torryowl said: not seen him in the buff but for all we know he may be 9 stone of muscle …...the club seem happy enough to give him a contract that you don't think he's big enough I respect but you aint coming from a position of strength . Lol that made me laugh.. 9 stone of muscle is still tiny. I agree he must have something about him to have even come this far, but it doesn’t look like we’re close to putting him in the team ahead of any of the other centre mids who haven’t exactly pulled up any trees this season. Sean Mcallister was a similar player, had good pedigree on the ball but never went on to do anything in the game as he didn’t have the physical presence to be a centre mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Lol that made me laugh.. 9 stone of muscle is still tiny. I agree he must have something about him to have even come this far, but it doesn’t look like we’re close to putting him in the team ahead of any of the other centre mids who haven’t exactly pulled up any trees this season. Sean Mcallister was a similar player, had good pedigree on the ball but never went on to do anything in the game as he didn’t have the physical presence to be a centre mid he may or may not make a career but that will be down to ability not his size …...3 examples Fulham wouldn't sign ron springett coz they said he wasn't big enough as did Donny rovers with kevin keegan ….the youth coach at Bradford city said ian ormondroyd will one day play for England …...ability is all that matters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, torryowl said: from what ive seen only young O'Brien as impressed me …..I did rate preston 2 years ago but he seems to stalled . Sadly I didn't get to see enough of O'Brien or Dawodu to form an opinion. Wrote few times on here how much I like what I've seen of Conor Grant so far. Got excellent footwark and is so calm in possession making it hard for oposition to press him into giving ball away. Not ready for first team football, but would like to see him involved bit more with first team due to potential I believe he got. Another one is Liam Waldock. He is Hunt's CM partner in U-23's team. Tigerish in tackle and good on the ball, always looks to play forward pass after winning possession. Capable of running with the ball past "first block" as well. What ever he does he does with urgency "if that makes sense". Even further away from first team level then Grant, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Lol that made me laugh.. 9 stone of muscle is still tiny. I agree he must have something about him to have even come this far, but it doesn’t look like we’re close to putting him in the team ahead of any of the other centre mids who haven’t exactly pulled up any trees this season. Sean Mcallister was a similar player, had good pedigree on the ball but never went on to do anything in the game as he didn’t have the physical presence to be a centre mid Not really true about McAllister. He was mobile, worked hard but was at best painfuly awerage on the ball. Reminds more of Kirby than Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I think we once dumped some guy called Vardy? for being too small didn't we, FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, torryowl said: he may or may not make a career but that will be down to ability not his size …...3 examples Fulham wouldn't sign ron springett coz they said he wasn't big enough as did Donny rovers with kevin keegan ….the youth coach at Bradford city said ian ormondroyd will one day play for England …...ability is all that matters . What was the name of that tiny keeper that played for them rams back in the day, Torry? Think he was the smallest keeper in the league, butit didn't stop him being a good keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, cognacbarnowl said: What was the name of that tiny keeper that played for them rams back in the day, Torry? Think he was the smallest keeper in the league, butit didn't stop him being a good keeper. les green ?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, cognacbarnowl said: I think we once dumped some guy called Vardy? for being too small didn't we, FFS I think it may have been his liking to summat rather than his stature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCOWL Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, cognacbarnowl said: I think we once dumped some guy called Vardy? for being too small didn't we, FFS No. We didn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anlaby Owl Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 You have to be a bit careful about muscle development in terms of gym work because it can and does serve to slow the body down. I know the modern technique with boxers is endurance training rather than weight training, precisely for this reason.. Presumably someone small would rely heavily on turn of pace and isn't going to outmuscle someone in the nuihu mould regardless of how strong they are (remembers the cyril regis/gordon strachan anecdote). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, torryowl said: he may or may not make a career but that will be down to ability not his size …...3 examples Fulham wouldn't sign ron springett coz they said he wasn't big enough as did Donny rovers with kevin keegan ….the youth coach at Bradford city said ian ormondroyd will one day play for England …...ability is all that matters . Hajduk Split turned down Luka Modrić because he was too small, instead they signed couple of inches higher youngster who is now long retired... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, Anlaby Owl said: You have to be a bit careful about muscle development in terms of gym work because it can and does serve to slow the body down. I know the modern technique with boxers is endurance training rather than weight training, precisely for this reason.. Presumably someone small would rely heavily on turn of pace and isn't going to outmuscle someone in the nuihu mould regardless of how strong they are (remembers the cyril regis/gordon strachan anecdote). For last ten years clubs test blood of young players, and with results explained to me in detail (that I wont share on here) they explained who will end up as more explosive, and who will have more stamina reserves. Nothing is left to the chance any more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, malek said: For last ten years clubs test blood of young players, and with results explained to me in detail (that I wont share on here) they explained who will end up as more explosive, and who will have more stamina reserves. Nothing is left to the chance any more... No that’s completely wrong but I cannot share it on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, cognacbarnowl said: I think we once dumped some guy called Vardy? for being too small didn't we, FFS Don’t quote me on this but I think Vardy was released by us because he had the wrong attitude - there was no doubt about his talent. He then found himself in amateur football leading to semi-pro football; he realised the opportunity he’s missed and turned himself around (albeit under licence for an offence when at Stocksbridge Park Steels). Ian Wright spent significant time trialing at some southern clubs as a youth but was passed over; there’s the famous story of Chris Waddle getting wide interest from league clubs but getting no takers (and having to work in a sausage factory and play semi-professional) until he was about 20 years old before Newcastle “gambled” on him; I think that Mark Bright was similar in terms of interest but no takers. My point is here is that professional football is littered with instances of successful players being released or not taken on by clubs as youths. Every club will have not kept or not recruited players they should have - Sheffield United decided to take Alex Sabella instead of Diego Maradona for heavens sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, torryowl said: les green ?..... Les Green was a very good keeper,but cloughie replaced him with the much taller Colin Boulton,as Green got done on corners too often,Boulton was the rams no1 for 7 years straight Edited January 26, 2020 by legendaryswan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said: Everyone keeps saying this but aren’t naming any who are as small as this kid. Messi is over 11 stone. This kid is 9 stone something, and is playing a position on the pitch where physicality is important. It’s his build that’s the issue rather than just his height. He needs to get in the gym to give himself a chance.. not a good sign that he doesn’t appear to have gained any muscle at all since Sunderland in August 2018. Everyone complains that BB can’t play in a two etc because he’s too small and that we need a ‘midfield beast’. People have massive biases on here when it comes to our players and particularly the ones born locally. It’s probably part of the reason why we’re a stagnant nothing club for the last 20 years, the acceptance of mediocrity. Ladbrokes (http://ladbrokes.touch-line.com/Player.asp?lang=&coid=82&teid=235&plid=277917) reckon he's 64kg. Though not sure why Ladbrokes are weighing everyone. A few players who are lighter than that and can also play a bit: Lucas Torreira - 61kg Jesse Lingard - 60kg Joao Moutinho - 60kg Dries Mertens - 61kg Takashi Inui - 59kg Aaron Lennon - 62kg Alexis Sanchez - 62kg Riyad Mahrez - 61kg Fabien Delph - 60kg Mason Holgate - 63kg Manuel Lanzini - 59kg Emanuele Giaccherini - 60kg Alan Wright - 61kg Barry Bannan - 60kg Juan Mata - 63kg Even Messi was listed at 65.7kg when he was around Hunt's age and played in the 2006 World Cup. George Best was 65kg before he discovered the booze and fags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: Ladbrokes (http://ladbrokes.touch-line.com/Player.asp?lang=&coid=82&teid=235&plid=277917) reckon he's 64kg. Though not sure why Ladbrokes are weighing everyone. A few players who are lighter than that and can also play a bit: Lucas Torreira - 61kg Jesse Lingard - 60kg Joao Moutinho - 60kg Dries Mertens - 61kg Takashi Inui - 59kg Aaron Lennon - 62kg Alexis Sanchez - 62kg Riyad Mahrez - 61kg Fabien Delph - 60kg Mason Holgate - 63kg Manuel Lanzini - 59kg Emanuele Giaccherini - 60kg Alan Wright - 61kg Barry Bannan - 60kg Juan Mata - 63kg Even Messi was listed at 65.7kg when he was around Hunt's age and played in the 2006 World Cup. George Best was 65kg before he discovered the booze and fags. Fabien Delph is a player that can play in a midfield two and get stuck in. Danny Wilson is 5’ 6” and must have been around 60kg when he played and he dominated midfield; I wonder how heavy Graham Hyde was when he played in our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: Ladbrokes (http://ladbrokes.touch-line.com/Player.asp?lang=&coid=82&teid=235&plid=277917) reckon he's 64kg. Though not sure why Ladbrokes are weighing everyone. A few players who are lighter than that and can also play a bit: Lucas Torreira - 61kg Jesse Lingard - 60kg Joao Moutinho - 60kg Dries Mertens - 61kg Takashi Inui - 59kg Aaron Lennon - 62kg Alexis Sanchez - 62kg Riyad Mahrez - 61kg Fabien Delph - 60kg Mason Holgate - 63kg Manuel Lanzini - 59kg Emanuele Giaccherini - 60kg Alan Wright - 61kg Barry Bannan - 60kg Juan Mata - 63kg Even Messi was listed at 65.7kg when he was around Hunt's age and played in the 2006 World Cup. George Best was 65kg before he discovered the booze and fags. What's that in real money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Emerson Thome said: Ladbrokes (http://ladbrokes.touch-line.com/Player.asp?lang=&coid=82&teid=235&plid=277917) reckon he's 64kg. Though not sure why Ladbrokes are weighing everyone. A few players who are lighter than that and can also play a bit: Lucas Torreira - 61kg Jesse Lingard - 60kg Joao Moutinho - 60kg Dries Mertens - 61kg Takashi Inui - 59kg Aaron Lennon - 62kg Alexis Sanchez - 62kg Riyad Mahrez - 61kg Fabien Delph - 60kg Mason Holgate - 63kg Manuel Lanzini - 59kg Emanuele Giaccherini - 60kg Alan Wright - 61kg Barry Bannan - 60kg Juan Mata - 63kg Even Messi was listed at 65.7kg when he was around Hunt's age and played in the 2006 World Cup. George Best was 65kg before he discovered the booze and fags. Maybe you could find a few players who seem to have a similar level of ability? Of course elite level talent can balance out anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kameron Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 We need to end this fascination with midfield midgets. I don’t wont to wee wee in the young lads chips but if he’s getting game time at championship level we may as well pack up and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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