crookesowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Naive - thinking 1 up top at home would work. Naive - Urhoghide’s defending. Hopefully he’ll learn but he got way too close to his man and got skinned too easily Unlucky - rebound off Dawson’s head goes in. Dare I saw it the bounce never went our way Shocking ref - that was NEVER a red card. The club should be appealing against it. It was one of those days. Monk will know he set up wrong, but equally there was much out of his (and our) control that contributed significantly. I’m going to chose to move on, try and forget it happened, and hope lessons will be learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 You talk about lessons learned, but then open with that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Move on is right. But I think monks post match interview was constructive rather than destructive. He identified points in the game where decisions led to our overall capitulation. That is what managers must do. Identify things to work on.. Rather than come out with things that can't be changed like hanging players out to dry or denouncing the system that also implies singular players. That's why he is a manager and most of the caller's to P and G aren't. Edited January 19, 2020 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Monk couldn’t really win yesterday based on team selection... that team won at Leeds... if he changes it and we lose people would be asking why. It’s the fact that Winnall isn’t strong enough and Reach and Murphy were no help whatsoever. Next time, we won’t do that hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justbeanz Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Any side that is defeated 5-0 at home should be taking a long hard look at themselves regardless of bad luck, bad refs etc. No excuses. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, crookesowl said: Naive - thinking 1 up top at home would work. Naive - Urhoghide’s defending. Hopefully he’ll learn but he got way too close to his man and got skinned too easily Unlucky - rebound off Dawson’s head goes in. Dare I saw it the bounce never went our way Shocking ref - that was NEVER a red card. The club should be appealing against it. It was one of those days. Monk will know he set up wrong, but equally there was much out of his (and our) control that contributed significantly. I’m going to chose to move on, try and forget it happened, and hope lessons will be learned. Sorry but I think you're being a little naive with your post. Players putting in an inept and clueless performance has nothing to do with naivety or luck or poor decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 It's not down yo luck or bad refereeing decisions. We arnt goid enough full stop. The bulk of our squad is the same as it was four years ago, and has failed four times to get us promoted. Does anyone really think they are going to do it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 The one up top thing is the biggest load of tripe I’ve ever heard in my life. West Brom, Leeds, Fulham, Brenford, Swansea and Forest all play with 1 up top. That’s current top 6. Last home game we played 2 up front against Hull. Problem isn’t formations or tactics. Can’t do anything when players lack the most basic requirement and that’s just putting a shift in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, LittleG said: Sorry but I think you're being a little naive with your post. Players putting in an inept and clueless performance has nothing to do with naivety or luck or poor decisions. 1 minute ago, S36 OWL said: It's not down yo luck or bad refereeing decisions. We arnt goid enough full stop. The bulk of our squad is the same as it was four years ago, and has failed four times to get us promoted. Does anyone really think they are going to do it now? Tough crowd. No-one really thinks we are good enough. But, yesterday was a perfect storm. We need to learn and move on. The other thread sums it up perfectly, stop spitting venom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, crookesowl said: Naive - thinking 1 up top at home would work. Naive - Urhoghide’s defending. Hopefully he’ll learn but he got way too close to his man and got skinned too easily Unlucky - rebound off Dawson’s head goes in. Dare I saw it the bounce never went our way Shocking ref - that was NEVER a red card. The club should be appealing against it. It was one of those days. Monk will know he set up wrong, but equally there was much out of his (and our) control that contributed significantly. I’m going to chose to move on, try and forget it happened, and hope lessons will be learned. You missed, lack of effort, clearly not employing the tactics the manager laid out and generally being god awful and pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, crookesowl said: Tough crowd. No-one really thinks we are good enough. But, yesterday was a perfect storm. We need to learn and move on. The other thread sums it up perfectly, stop spitting venom. Learn and move on. How often have we heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, crookesowl said: Tough crowd. No-one really thinks we are good enough. But, yesterday was a perfect storm. We need to learn and move on. The other thread sums it up perfectly, stop spitting venom. Ridiculous to say I've spitted venom. I've called the performance as I and many others saw it - inept and clueless. Venom would have been singling out individuals and tearing them a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, LittleG said: Ridiculous to say I've spitted venom. I've called the performance as I and many others saw it - inept and clueless. Venom would have been singling out individuals and tearing them a new one. Not aimed at you sorry if that came across that way. I do agree it was a clueless and inept performance, but other factors contributed a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, billyblack said: Learn and move on. How often have we heard that. It’s true though. If you don’t learn and move on you may as well give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, crookesowl said: It’s true though. If you don’t learn and move on you may as well give up. Perhaps they should do that. Just give up. Because clearly they dont learn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, 1993swfc said: The one up top thing is the biggest load of tripe I’ve ever heard in my life. West Brom, Leeds, Fulham, Brenford, Swansea and Forest all play with 1 up top. That’s current top 6. Last home game we played 2 up front against Hull. Problem isn’t formations or tactics. Can’t do anything when players lack the most basic requirement and that’s just putting a shift in. Spot on. We have lost our last three home games whilst playing different formations. Too many of our current squad clearly think they are better than what they are and don’t need to work hard to win. The culture within that squad needs to be broken down and that will only be done by major surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronxowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Still think it’s down to the basics; Control the pass you receive without it bouncing of your foot to an opposition player. Win the second balls Win the 50/50s At least try and look like you’re trying to win an header. Nobody any won anything neshing tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Yesterday has gone now but we need to see a big reaction in the next few games. I dont think that is too much to ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, Blatter said: Spot on. We have lost our last three home games whilst playing different formations. Too many of our current squad clearly think they are better than what they are and don’t need to work hard to win. The culture within that squad needs to be broken down and that will only be done by major surgery. Bang on. Cardiff we played 4231. Hull 442 and Blackburn 433. All defeats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, 1993swfc said: The one up top thing is the biggest load of tripe I’ve ever heard in my life. West Brom, Leeds, Fulham, Brenford, Swansea and Forest all play with 1 up top. That’s current top 6. Last home game we played 2 up front against Hull. Problem isn’t formations or tactics. Can’t do anything when players lack the most basic requirement and that’s just putting a shift in. And bamford isn't exactly a target man. They just have better players all round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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