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10 hours ago, We'llNeverBeMastered said:

I get that, but do you think we can replace them with better on our budget? Honestly, I'm not so sure.

 

Recruitment have got a very busy summer ahead.


Look at what the Blunts did. Got a top manager and coach who had a clear philosophy and style of play. Who has a plan on how to defend and a plan on how to attack for every game That gives a fair and honest assessment after every game. Then they signed hungry, ambitious players who fit the managers profile and system. All this and well inside the EFL P&S limits. There’s your blueprint how to replace our overpaid, underachieving, poorly coached, poorly motivated squad (and possibly manager)

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8 hours ago, camffiti said:

So a lot of OTers are looking forward to a summer CLEAR ARHHT of our bigger earners? 

 

Will we be able to attract better replacements, while offering lower wages & fees?

 


I’m pretty sure Brentford, Swansea, Millwall, Bristol and Preston pay lower wages and fees. Not to mention the Blunts last season.

Iorfa, Borner and Harris cost next to nothing and presumably fit into a wage structure.


 

So yes, we will

 

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4 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:


I’m pretty sure Brentford, Swansea, Millwall, Bristol and Preston pay lower wages and fees. Not to mention the Blunts last season.

Iorfa, Borner and Harris cost next to nothing and presumably fit into a wage structure.


 

So yes, we will

 

 

Hopefully. 

 

I'm guessing Borner & Harris are on a decent wage

 

Iorfa was rejected by a club bottom of the Championship, so we probably negotiated a good deal there 

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Anyone who actually wants Monk out (I can't imagine there are too many to be honest) in my opinion doesn't know anything about the situation of the club, this division and probably football in general.

 

We have a squad that needs reshaping and moulding to Monk's style, that won't happen until the summer either, he's still not been able to bring in a full staff and that can't have been easy.

 

Days like yesterday are of course harder to brush off but sometimes they happen, the issue is that too many overreact to every little set back and thus when a mauling like yesterday happens makes it worse. I only heard bits and bobs on the radio but what I did was nonsensical moaning from people who never ring in when we win. I half wonder if it was blades on the wind up.

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2 minutes ago, camffiti said:

 

Hopefully. 

 

I'm guessing Borner & Harris are on a decent wage

 

Iorfa was rejected by a club bottom of the Championship, so we probably negotiated a good deal there 


To be clear, are you suggesting that Borner, who has never commanded a fee and came from the German second division and Harris who was released by Cardiff who complied with FFP even in there promotion season are paid as much as Fletcher, Rhodes, FF and our bigger earners?

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14 hours ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

This.

 

The squad is littered with serial bottlers going right back to the play offs.

 

It's nothing new, and criminal it hasn't been addressed.

Too right and a lot need showing the door and that includes bullen. Familiarity breeds contempt and some players will be in his ear .get rid Garry and bring your own team in

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1 minute ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:


To be clear, are you suggesting that Borner, who has never commanded a fee and came from the German second division and Harris who was released by Cardiff who complied with FFP even in there promotion season are paid as much as Fletcher, Rhodes, FF and our bigger earners?

 

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5 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

Anyone who actually wants Monk out (I can't imagine there are too many to be honest) in my opinion doesn't know anything about the situation of the club, this division and probably football in general.

 

We have a squad that needs reshaping and moulding to Monk's style, that won't happen until the summer either, he's still not been able to bring in a full staff and that can't have been easy.

 

Days like yesterday are of course harder to brush off but sometimes they happen, the issue is that too many overreact to every little set back and thus when a mauling like yesterday happens makes it worse. I only heard bits and bobs on the radio but what I did was nonsensical moaning from people who never ring in when we win. I half wonder if it was blades on the wind up.


Not suggesting that Monk should go but also not buying the line that he is powerless until he has his own players to mould into his style. 
 

Bruce dramatically improved what he had through a clear strategy and good man management. Surely most would agree our performances have gone backwards since Bruce despite the additions of Borner, Iorfa and Harris who have been positively received. A top manager will make visible improvements (if not dramatic) on what they inherit. 
 

What exactly is Monks style? Other than defending the width of the 18 yard box with a back 4 and asking the wide forwards to be auxiliary full-backs when we are out of position  I can’t see any style, all seems ad hoc

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8 hours ago, The Horse said:

Venom?

Just a few short seasons ago, our pink neighbours were bottom of the third division with what was left of their fans hurling abuse at their players from the half empty stands.

That was venomous.

Then King Pig turns up, tells the players that their league is shitt, don't respect anyone, give 100% no excuses and attack the crap out of every team.

This gets the crowd back up, boos turn to cheers and it's enjoyable to go to the match again.

This Championship is there to be had.

Watching us play with one up front, passing about backwards and sideways then lumping up with no fight or effort is not going to get the crowd going.

We're at home, in a poor league.

Attack the opposites like rabid dogs and the crowd will follow and the venom will disappear.

Wilder knows how to get every ounce out of his players even if they not premier league standard.it guts me to say that but they have really pissed on our chips and fair play to them

 

We have pissed about so much and fked up.

 

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1 minute ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:


Not suggesting that Monk should go but also not buying the line that he is powerless until he has his own players to mould into his style. 
 

Bruce dramatically improved what he had through a clear strategy and good man management. Surely most would agree our performances have gone backwards since Bruce despite the additions of Borner, Iorfa and Harris who have been positively received. A top manager will make visible improvements (if not dramatic) on what they inherit. 
 

What exactly is Monks style? Other than defending the width of the 18 yard box with a back 4 and asking the wide forwards to be auxiliary full-backs when we are out of position  I can’t see any style, all seems ad hoc

Not suggesting he's powerless but it's harder in practice than on paper.

 

Monk isn't as good a manger as Bruce at present, therefore you have your answer in why there has been a drop off. But there was the same drop off under Bullen and the previous form under Jos. This squad needs a reset. There are some great players in there on their day but there are also some that just can't do it week in week out. To be honest this leads me onto another point that you can put a lot of the problems on the pitch down to Bruce deciding to f*ck off. He left us in a very tough position and Monk to be fair to him has done well to have us where we are in my opinion.

 

In terms of his style, based on his Birmingham City team and his Leeds team I think he'll look to build a side where we're strong through the spine, probably 442 or 433 and be solid, don't overplay and get it out wide to create chances for the strikers. Personally I don't have an issue with the way we've set up in most of the games, passing football is great but when it doesn't work it's dull as dishwater (think Brentford 2nd half against us).

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Was it really all that good under Bruce? After a good start. We seemed to turn in to draw specialists. 

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1 minute ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

Not suggesting he's powerless but it's harder in practice than on paper.

 

Monk isn't as good a manger as Bruce at present, therefore you have your answer in why there has been a drop off. But there was the same drop off under Bullen and the previous form under Jos. This squad needs a reset. There are some great players in there on their day but there are also some that just can't do it week in week out. To be honest this leads me onto another point that you can put a lot of the problems on the pitch down to Bruce deciding to f*ck off. He left us in a very tough position and Monk to be fair to him has done well to have us where we are in my opinion.

 

In terms of his style, based on his Birmingham City team and his Leeds team I think he'll look to build a side where we're strong through the spine, probably 442 or 433 and be solid, don't overplay and get it out wide to create chances for the strikers. Personally I don't have an issue with the way we've set up in most of the games, passing football is great but when it doesn't work it's dull as dishwater (think Brentford 2nd half against us).


It isn’t harder in practice than on paper. The best managers in any league at any level have a defined way of playing which the players understand, you know this because there are default responses to specific situations and you can see triggers which the whole team respond to. When (if) we win the ball there is no pattern and no standard response from the players. 

 

There are NO GREAT PLAYERS in our squad. We are an above average squad in the Championship because we have above average Championship players. Ronaldo is great, Messi is great. 
 

Agree that Bruce dropped us in it which was no ones fault but his. I agree Monk has done well to have us where we are points wise but the performances have been disjointed and attritional.

 

If you are right about Monk’s style then why is he not employing it here? We have wide players but they are encouraged to play narrow on their “wrong sides”. They are not encouraged to hug the touch line thus creating space for themselves and for others, neither is our default strategy to manipulate the ball to wide areas, particularly when Harris is left out. 
 

Brentford are 5 points above us, have scored more and conceded a lot less so not sure I would advocate Monk’s hit and hope versus their brand of football. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, sheffwed1 said:

Was it really all that good under Bruce? After a good start. We seemed to turn in to draw specialists. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:


It isn’t harder in practice than on paper. The best managers in any league at any level have a defined way of playing which the players understand, you know this because there are default responses to specific situations and you can see triggers which the whole team respond to. When (if) we win the ball there is no pattern and no standard response from the players. 

 

There are NO GREAT PLAYERS in our squad. We are an above average squad in the Championship because we have above average Championship players. Ronaldo is great, Messi is great. 
 

Agree that Bruce dropped us in it which was no ones fault but his. I agree Monk has done well to have us where we are points wise but the performances have been disjointed and attritional.

 

If you are right about Monk’s style then why is he not employing it here? We have wide players but they are encouraged to play narrow on their “wrong sides”. They are not encouraged to hug the touch line thus creating space for themselves and for others, neither is our default strategy to manipulate the ball to wide areas, particularly when Harris is left out. 
 

Brentford are 5 points above us, have scored more and conceded a lot less so not sure I would advocate Monk’s hit and hope versus their brand of football. 

 

 

My point on Brentford was that when it doesn't work it's not going to get the crowd going here, we've seen managers like Carlos and Jos at times try and play out from the back. Our crowd doesn't respond well to it. It also wasn't that long ago we were above them either.

 

As for why we play the way we do, Monk is still learning about this squad of players. It's clearly worked in some games, we're better suited to playing away from home and countering on teams in my opinion and that kind of team doesn't tend to work as well at home. I think it's harsh to say we've seen no pattern of play, we have. It's worth noting Monk has only been here four months and working with players 4/5 managers deep now. We don't have enough options out wide for me, Harris' drop off in form was down to being overplayed, Reach has been inconsistent, Murphy as well. We need more pace up front, someone to run off a target man. We have seen it in fits and starts but it all comes back to the initial point, the squad needs rebuilding.

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Mowbray had our defence sussed from the previous game @ ewood park,saw the weakness an they played on it,he outfoxed Monk,they played little balls just in behind the space the fullbacks left between the CBs along the outer 18 yard line and cut them back in,with their strikers following in behind,shrewd bloke who obviously has monks defensive tactics up his sleeve,lucky not have been a cricket score.

If it was easy enough to see from the stand why didnt Monk react to it ? they used the same ploy the entire game

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3 hours ago, TINKERBELL said:

Too right and a lot need showing the door and that includes bullen. Familiarity breeds contempt and some players will be in his ear .get rid Garry and bring your own team in

 

Stunned he hasn't brought his own coaching team. Seems a bit odd.

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21 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Inclined to agree. We have a very strange fanbase. One week we are going up, the next it’s a disaster. 
 

The fact is this side isn’t good enough and a couple of good results won’t change that. They are inconsistent and there are glaring deficiencies which need to be addressed. DC is in a tight spot because he can’t spend the money to rectify it. That is down to previous mistakes, but not a lot we can do about that now. 
 

We just have to ride it out until the summer. Get a few more of the top earners out the club. Our transfer business has been pretty decent since Bruce arrived with his recruitment team, which is encouraging. Let’s hope Downes and the other bloke are still working away in the background. 
 

This will take 3/4 windows to sort. 

Theres isnt a fans forum or phone in that isnt the same, the fickle world of modern day football. I get sick of reading its a Wednesday thing, its not

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6 hours ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:


It isn’t harder in practice than on paper. The best managers in any league at any level have a defined way of playing which the players understand, you know this because there are default responses to specific situations and you can see triggers which the whole team respond to. When (if) we win the ball there is no pattern and no standard response from the players. 

 

There are NO GREAT PLAYERS in our squad. We are an above average squad in the Championship because we have above average Championship players. Ronaldo is great, Messi is great. 
 

Agree that Bruce dropped us in it which was no ones fault but his. I agree Monk has done well to have us where we are points wise but the performances have been disjointed and attritional.

 

If you are right about Monk’s style then why is he not employing it here? We have wide players but they are encouraged to play narrow on their “wrong sides”. They are not encouraged to hug the touch line thus creating space for themselves and for others, neither is our default strategy to manipulate the ball to wide areas, particularly when Harris is left out. 
 

Brentford are 5 points above us, have scored more and conceded a lot less so not sure I would advocate Monk’s hit and hope versus their brand of football. 

 

 


So what style of play would you play with our squad at present.?

It sounds really easy to define this style of play 

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4 hours ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

Stunned he hasn't brought his own coaching team. Seems a bit odd.

I read he wasnt allowed due to wages

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8 minutes ago, billyblack said:

I read he wasnt allowed due to wages

 

That makes no sense. It would be crazy.

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