Guest Bulgaria Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 hours ago, FreshOwl said: You’d think Monk would prepare the team on how to play when Bannan is marked out of the game? It happens most bloody matches and we never have an answer. What exactly do they do in training? All wait on the half way line and wait for our keeper to hoof it forward, then hope we win a header and get a lucky break.. Simple this management stuff. Unfortunately when you have a forward who is smaller than the opposition defenders, it rarely works. Can someone email this to our coaching staff? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I don't think it is as straightforward as just marking Bannan out of the game. This midfield needs a total revamp, it's not performed consistently for 3 years and it needs addressing. They turn up 1 in 3 games, normally when we are playing a team like Leeds who are more focused on their own style rather than shutting us down. As soon as a team shuts down the space in midfield or starts carrying the ball through midfield collectively they are not at the races. Individually the midfield players have their attributes, but collectively they just too soft. Add to that the stupid tactic of hoofing to Winnall ( Monks poor tactic ) and coming up against a manager who has done his homework. Also one of our strongpoints recently has been the excellent form of Borner, Iorfa and Fox, but today they were all poor. Borner who has been great so far had a nightmare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) We got hammered because we went down to ten early on. If we'd kept 11 on the pitch we'd have lost by a couple or three I reckon. But a promotion-winning side would have battled much more in such adversity. We didn't. We're not one. Edited January 19, 2020 by Athelwulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Far too simplistic. There were many more issues as to why we lost that game yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: I don't think it is as straightforward as just marking Bannan out of the game. This midfield needs a total revamp, it's not performed consistently for 3 years and it needs addressing. They turn up 1 in 3 games, normally when we are playing a team like Leeds who are more focused on their own style rather than shutting us down. As soon as a team shuts down the space in midfield or starts carrying the ball through midfield collectively they are not at the races. Individually the midfield players have their attributes, but collectively they just too soft. Add to that the stupid tactic of hoofing to Winnall ( Monks poor tactic ) and coming up against a manager who has done his homework. Also one of our strongpoints recently has been the excellent form of Borner, Iorfa and Fox, but today they were all poor. Borner who has been great so far had a nightmare. Very true. The thing is, a manager can get his tactics spot on, but in this league if you've got no fighting spirit - and we haven't - then you're doomed to limited success. This side's fine when things are going its way; however as soon as the going gets tough, it wilts. It's a feckless, spineless outfit at times. We'll never get out of this flaming division until we bring in some grit. It's not for nothing that we've conceded so many late goals either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 11 hours ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Maybe 70 minutes with one player less had an effect.. I'm thinking it's weird now people not thinking it had an effect. We were getting battered before the sending off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: I don't think it is as straightforward as just marking Bannan out of the game. This midfield needs a total revamp, it's not performed consistently for 3 years and it needs addressing. They turn up 1 in 3 games, normally when we are playing a team like Leeds who are more focused on their own style rather than shutting us down. As soon as a team shuts down the space in midfield or starts carrying the ball through midfield collectively they are not at the races. Individually the midfield players have their attributes, but collectively they just too soft. Add to that the stupid tactic of hoofing to Winnall ( Monks poor tactic ) and coming up against a manager who has done his homework. Also one of our strongpoints recently has been the excellent form of Borner, Iorfa and Fox, but today they were all poor. Borner who has been great so far had a nightmare. This exactly. Man marking BB out of the game is no excuse for the rest of the players to put in such an inept and clueless performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF_Owl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: I don't think it is as straightforward as just marking Bannan out of the game. This midfield needs a total revamp, it's not performed consistently for 3 years and it needs addressing. They turn up 1 in 3 games, normally when we are playing a team like Leeds who are more focused on their own style rather than shutting us down. As soon as a team shuts down the space in midfield or starts carrying the ball through midfield collectively they are not at the races. Individually the midfield players have their attributes, but collectively they just too soft. Add to that the stupid tactic of hoofing to Winnall ( Monks poor tactic ) and coming up against a manager who has done his homework. Also one of our strongpoints recently has been the excellent form of Borner, Iorfa and Fox, but today they were all poor. Borner who has been great so far had a nightmare. Very true. This is probably why we are doing better away from home as the opposition have their own game plan to focus on and don't try to nullify ours as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Overall, looking at where we stand in the league, taking into consideration the habitual shambles which is a Wednesday pre-season, and remembering that this isn't Monk's outfit, I'd say we're doing OK. When Fatso went north, and treacherously stabbed us in the back, many had us down as a relegation outfit. And I concede that we're in a superior position to that which I anticipated, especially as we're usually poor in the first half of the season, but we're dogged by inconsistency. When we're good, we're good … but when we're bad, we're shocking. OK, yesterday was an aberration; KS is right that we were under the cosh before the sending off, but losing a man so early makes things an uphill struggle, and I also think we've got to give Rovers some credit for their performance - it's wasn't just that we were bad. We know we're lightweight in the middle, but it's mental strength which we lack too. Leadership, initiative, and a willingness to grasp the nettle when times get tough is what's required to gain promotion. A team has to turn draws into wins, defeats into draws, and if it's going to lose it doesn't get hammered. Play till the final whistle, and know how to close games down to garner the points. We just don't have enough people in this team with that mindset at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanningtonowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 20 hours ago, FreshOwl said: You’d think Monk would prepare the team on how to play when Bannan is marked out of the game? It happens most bloody matches and we never have an answer. What exactly do they do in training? Practice free kicks and corners. That’s why we’re so devastating at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 18 hours ago, swissmess said: Reason we lost is that players self motivated for batte against local rivals and against premier side in cup, and weren't motivated yesterday. That's Monk's job and he failed miserably...again. Players can't be arsed to try for Monk. Yes a new set of players might, but he doesn't seem to be a motivator and that means he will probably be on his bike again, journeyman manager. Our players (some, not all) can't be arsed to try for anyone. Hopefully Monk will clear them all out and we can start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 21 hours ago, vulva said: Was quite simple. They man marked Bannan. Holtby never left his side from minute one, and we simply didn’t have a clue on how to react to it. Blackburn are the first team to fathom us out. Mark Bannan, and we stop functioning. We are the biggest one trick pony side in history. Too simplistic a view. Ignoring wider issues that cover the whole squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 21 hours ago, vulva said: Sending off was a smokescreen. We’d have lost that game with 13 players. They nullified our only footballer, Bannan, and the whole thing fell apart. Our whole game, as basic as it sounds, revolves around Dawson giving it to a centre half, who then feeds Bannan. They stopped us doing that after 90 seconds and we malfunctioned like a rusty dishwasher. spot on bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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