torres Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 To change the culture of a football club? Because until this does I can’t see any dramatic difference in our fortunes for the foreseeable future We are one of the few special clubs that can beat a premier league team away, then go away to the top of the league and win 2-0, then play a team out of form at home and not only lose but lose embarrassingly It happens far too often, we are consistently inconsistent. This current bunch seem to embody that more than most. I feel Monk is as baffled and frustrated as us by it and given the opportunity could be the one to break this vicious circle (first time I’ve thought this about a manager for a long time) Not only does he need the chance to get rid of as many players as possible he also needs an overhaul of his backroom staff It’s been a comfortable place to be employed for far too long - performing twice a month shouldn’t be accepted Mid table mentality on top level wages, while we pay premier league prices 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 We are in desperate need of promotion (like a few other teams). Not just for the money, but almost for a change of scenery. Our players are honest but most of them have one or two good attributes and aren’t well rounded enough. Expectation is another thing - and players that don’t fulfil that. As for Wednesday fans, we don’t seem to have changed much in 20 years... just getting more tired as it goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, torres said: To change the culture of a football club? Because until this does I can’t see any dramatic difference in our fortunes for the foreseeable future We are one of the few special clubs that can beat a premier league team away, then go away to the top of the league and win 2-0, then play a team out of form at home and not only lose but lose embarrassingly It happens far too often, we are consistently inconsistent. This current bunch seem to embody that more than most. I feel Monk is as baffled and frustrated as us by it and given the opportunity could be the one to break this vicious circle (first time I’ve thought this about a manager for a long time) Not only does he need the chance to get rid of as many players as possible he also needs an overhaul of his backroom staff It’s been a comfortable place to be employed for far too long - performing twice a month shouldn’t be accepted Mid table mentality on top level wages, while we pay premier league prices This absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kopparberg said: We are in desperate need of promotion (like a few other teams). Not just for the money, but almost for a change of scenery. Our players are honest but most of them have one or two good attributes and aren’t well rounded enough. Expectation is another thing - and players that don’t fulfil that. As for Wednesday fans, we don’t seem to have changed much in 20 years... just getting more tired as it goes on. Just playing to somewhere near their capabilities for most of the season would make me happy Even in our recent most productive seasons we failed to reach our potential and let ourselves down time and again Are we as a fan base too quick to praise? Do we go overboard on average players? or is this just good support and the players don’t have the mentality to push on? It was set up today to really give it a go and not one player turned up - and weirdly we all knew it didn’t we?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kopparberg said: We are in desperate need of promotion (like a few other teams). Not just for the money, but almost for a change of scenery. Our players are honest but most of them have one or two good attributes and aren’t well rounded enough. Expectation is another thing - and players that don’t fulfil that. As for Wednesday fans, we don’t seem to have changed much in 20 years... just getting more tired as it goes on. And I seem to be drinking more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, torres said: Are we as a fan base too quick to praise? Do we go overboard on average players? or is this just good support and the players don’t have the mentality to push on? It was set up today to really give it a go and not one player turned up - and weirdly we all knew it didn’t we?? Possibly. Some players are hero worshipped as if they’ve got a promotion with us under their belt - when in reality they are good lads, but this club is making them rich while we sit in the stand wondering why it doesn’t all go smoothly. Ultimately, the fans can’t win games for them. Behind the scenes the club is at bit weird (for want of a better word) but even if it was perfect we just don’t have the personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kopparberg said: We are in desperate need of promotion (like a few other teams). Not just for the money, but almost for a change of scenery. Our players are honest but most of them have one or two good attributes and aren’t well rounded enough. Expectation is another thing - and players that don’t fulfil that. As for Wednesday fans, we don’t seem to have changed much in 20 years... just getting more tired as it goes on. No, I don't want to go up and be the whipping boys of the PL. This whole club needs a nut and bolt restoration. It's stale, stagnant, and feels like the club has lost its soul. We have to accept that these players are not going to do it and are too comfortable, past it or do not have the right mentality. All us supporters in our heart of hearts know this. The club in its current state feels somewhat toxic and feels like it is slowly dying unless something changes. Go to Hillsborough and listen. The silence is deafening. No more bouncing, or trying to out sing the away end regardless of the score. There's nothing to motivate the fans and the fans aren't motivating the players. No one seems to be having fun anymore. I was there in the 80s, I was there in the 90s. I was there when we went down with Big Ron and bounced back. The place was buzzing. We were upset but we got behind the team and went back up. I don't know what has happened but I've not experienced that feeling or atmosphere for a very long time. Only twice in recent years has anything come close. The final home game with promotion from league 1 and the playoff final. Monk needs to be able to get rid of whoever he needs to, players and staff, whether or not they are crowd favourites. We need to support him in this. We need a factory reset. Build a new ethic and methodology of this great football club. It will take years but something has to give. The blades have managed it and there is no reason why we can't do the same. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, torres said: To change the culture of a football club? Because until this does I can’t see any dramatic difference in our fortunes for the foreseeable future We are one of the few special clubs that can beat a premier league team away, then go away to the top of the league and win 2-0, then play a team out of form at home and not only lose but lose embarrassingly It happens far too often, we are consistently inconsistent. This current bunch seem to embody that more than most. I feel Monk is as baffled and frustrated as us by it and given the opportunity could be the one to break this vicious circle (first time I’ve thought this about a manager for a long time) Not only does he need the chance to get rid of as many players as possible he also needs an overhaul of his backroom staff It’s been a comfortable place to be employed for far too long - performing twice a month shouldn’t be accepted Mid table mentality on top level wages, while we pay premier league prices Culture comes from the top. DC runs us like an amateur operation. Answer me, what parts of the club seem to run well? It’s a culture of underachievement summed up by ‘the Wednesday way’. I don’t see how it changes until we get proper football people in the club who know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 We definitely over celebrate wins, as a collective. Every time we win away, the players throw celebrations like they’ve won the bloody league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, owls maniac said: Culture comes from the top. DC runs us like an amateur operation. Answer me, what parts of the club seem to run well? It’s a culture of underachievement summed up by ‘the Wednesday way’. I don’t see how it changes until we get proper football people in the club who know what they are doing. Let's be honest. This precedes DC. This probably started with Trevor Francis towards the end of his tenure. We've been on the slide for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said: It's stale Sure is. Wouldn’t go as far as toxic - not on the pitch anyway. We need... something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Kopparberg said: Sure is. Wouldn’t go as far as toxic - not on the pitch anyway. We need... something. Maybe toxic isn't the right word. Something fundamental is wrong at SWFC and it has been wrong for a very long time. Long before DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 We have and still are paying millions and millions a year. Nuhiu is our go to guy. Know disrespect to Atdhe, I like him, but after spending millions and millions and millions, well... It appears we are all getting rinsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 We need one of those trouble shooter types to come in and give an honest appraisal of the whole setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said: Let's be honest. This precedes DC. This probably started with Trevor Francis towards the end of his tenure. We've been on the slide for decades. Because we’ve been run shambolically off the pitch for the last 20 years. So many clubs have gone past us in that time. I so wish I had the money to go in with a team and sort it out. A lot of it is pretty basic stuff. We can’t even sell pints ffs. It’s a culture of mediocrity and it’s in every crevice of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I just think we need better players. We aren’t doing bad this season considering. We need some better quality players in a number of positions. Monk has done a good job, but 4 losses in 5 league games is a worrying stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Can we play all our games away? Better all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said: We need one of those trouble shooter types to come in and give an honest appraisal of the whole setup. They’d be there months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: I just think we need better players. We aren’t doing bad this season considering. We need some better quality players in a number of positions. Monk has done a good job, but 4 losses in 5 league games is a worrying stat. Need players with a stronger mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Kopparberg said: They’d be there months. And DC would just ignore it anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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