Jump to content
prowl

EFL- Sheff Wednesday - Derby

Recommended Posts

7 minutes ago, HarrowbyOwl said:

Imagine we’ll be first. On 27 Dec the club said they were appointing arbitrators, so the procedure has already started, whereas the charges against Derby are recent

Funny old set up isn’t it when the members of the EFL committee could be involved in disciplinary action against the clubs they are actually attached to , puts pressure on the arbitrators to get things bang right 

Derby joining in the party makes it very interesting 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, mkowl said:

 

Who knows - I suspect the evidence may get in the public domain if this did get to a legal stage. 

Think disclosures in private arbitration proceedings are confidential so unless it goes to legal appeal it’s unlikely

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I agree with the idea of FFP but it's practical application has been a disaster. (Parachute payments apart)

 

It did seem to have some merit when there were possible sanctions but the main focus was in helping the clubs abide by the financial plans with points deductions if they breached the agreed plan. That was what happened with Birmingham, they breached the regulations, agreed a plan to get on side and then proceeded to buy a player and breached the agreed budget. They got what they deserved. They wouldn't have been penalised if they stuck to the budget. Even then the independent panel castigated the EFL because the rules weren't clear and the points deduction was reduced.

 

The problem then became ground sales, apparently the EFL never intended to allow that to happen but the rules as written allowed it. Clubs took the opportunity to raise money and the whole thing became a shambles. No good Parry coming in and trying to retrospectively change the rules and penalise us and Derby. That is not allowed in English law. If we had agreement to our actions in writing and EFL are trying to find a loophole to bring us to heel they are on very shakey ground.

 

I did have my doubts if the clubs case was as sound as we were led to believe but now Derby have raised the same questions about the EFL's actions it looks like we might be on solid ground. I hope we are.

  • Like 1
  • Agree 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

I personally think the Premier League will increase by at least two clubs in the not too distant

 

According to Kieran Maguire they're actually looking to reduce the number of teams, or rather the elite clubs are

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, WalthamOwl said:

So the EFL seem to be admitting they made a mistake signing off on the stadium sale and accounts and are looking to punish us and Derby because of their own mistakes. 

Not only that but in both cases they gave approval BEFORE the transactions were completed.  

 

You really couldn't make it up, in Derby's case they even asked for the sales price changing to what actually went through.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, 2roland2 said:


so with that in mind are they actually saying that derby and reading actually used influence to get around rules? You would have to think so considering the way it’s gone? 
 

it all seems to be since parry came in so maybe he’s come in and said wtf is going on here?  Can’t think of any other reason but who knows

Perhaps he didn't get the memo that it all wasn't to be taken too seriously.... Or you know Rick, everyone is gunna end up getting a points deduction...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Ash76 said:

 

According to Kieran Maguire they're actually looking to reduce the number of teams, or rather the elite clubs are

Top 6 Euro league 

Bigger Premier 

Like a football Lager n lime .....

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Ash76 said:

 

According to Kieran Maguire they're actually looking to reduce the number of teams, or rather the elite clubs are

Yeah I've always thought the prem clubs have no interest in a team like Wednesday or Leeds doing well, despite most fans wanting big clubs in the prem

Edited by jomaco

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Having been the lead on a number of >£50M projects within the sphere I work, I can say with a degree of confidence a cost of that magnitude does not buy you a lot, when you consider land valuations and CAPEX to deliver assets of that scope. Sure all this EFL bluster will amount to nothing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

I personally think the Premier League will increase by at least two clubs in the not too distant ...

They will cease to support the league cup unless they are permitted to field academy teams and come in at the  5th round Fa Cup stage ...that's the power that they have 

 

The inception of the "premier league" had 22 teams,that was reduced to 20 in 1995,it aint going back,if the bigger than the rest boys have their way it'll be down to 18 teams.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

Not only that but in both cases they gave approval BEFORE the transactions were completed.  

 

You really couldn't make it up, in Derby's case they even asked for the sales price changing to what actually went through.

 

 


surely us and Derby can’t be found quality by the panel then? 

Edited by WalthamOwl

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said:

The inception of the "premier league" had 22 teams,that was reduced to 20 in 1995,it aint going back,if the bigger than the rest boys have their way it'll be down to 18 teams.

Exactly. Most top leagues have 18. The big clubs in the PL would love it to be reduced to 18 but iirc they need 2/3rds to vote for it - and obviously any team outside the usual top 8 won’t. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I’m going to set up a website. 

 

I’ll shortly be selling “Feck the EFL” t-shirts and mugs. Let me know if you’re interested.

 

All have been given the go ahead by independent valuers.

 

The t-shirts are £35.99 each and the mugs £17.99.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, prowl said:

Personally I agree with the idea of FFP but it's practical application has been a disaster. (Parachute payments apart)

 

It did seem to have some merit when there were possible sanctions but the main focus was in helping the clubs abide by the financial plans with points deductions if they breached the agreed plan. That was what happened with Birmingham, they breached the regulations, agreed a plan to get on side and then proceeded to buy a player and breached the agreed budget. They got what they deserved. They wouldn't have been penalised if they stuck to the budget. Even then the independent panel castigated the EFL because the rules weren't clear and the points deduction was reduced.

 

The problem then became ground sales, apparently the EFL never intended to allow that to happen but the rules as written allowed it. Clubs took the opportunity to raise money and the whole thing became a shambles. No good Parry coming in and trying to retrospectively change the rules and penalise us and Derby. That is not allowed in English law. If we had agreement to our actions in writing and EFL are trying to find a loophole to bring us to heel they are on very shakey ground.

 

I did have my doubts if the clubs case was as sound as we were led to believe but now Derby have raised the same questions about the EFL's actions it looks like we might be on solid ground. I hope we are.

It’s been poorly put together and governed previous chairmen were racking huge debts up against clubs and then leaving them in financial turmoil by either pulling out or not having the finances to pull the clubs out of it 

 

for these reasons I completely agree with the idea of it however wealthy chairman that are wanting to invest their own money should be able to if they can guarantee the clubs will be sustainable if they were to leave 

 

so if chansiri wanted to gift the club money and take dividends back up on the promotion to the premier league then it should be allowed if he wanted to increase the wage bill he should be able to gift the club the working capital over the a set period or act as a the guarantor for that period that way if he pulls out the club are still safe untill they can reduce the operating costs back to the original or sustainable level

 

the EFLs rules means chairman have to find creative ways to inject cash in to the club to enable them to invest 

 

selling grounds sponsoring shirts and stands making up new bull revenue streams it’s all nonsense 

 

if wealthy chairmen can provide financial funding and act as guarantors they should be able to its their money 

  • Like 1
  • Agree 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said:

The inception of the "premier league" had 22 teams,that was reduced to 20 in 1995,it aint going back,if the bigger than the rest boys have their way it'll be down to 18 teams.

Do keep up Barmy 

I've already spilled my bladder ....8Vm6n4e.gif.b289e046bcfc7b482fe5c21558aa9a07.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, fpowl said:

It’s been poorly put together and governed previous chairmen were racking huge debts up against clubs and then leaving them in financial turmoil by either pulling out or not having the finances to pull the clubs out of it 

 

for these reasons I completely agree with the idea of it however wealthy chairman that are wanting to invest their own money should be able to if they can guarantee the clubs will be sustainable if they were to leave 

 

so if chansiri wanted to gift the club money and take dividends back up on the promotion to the premier league then it should be allowed if he wanted to increase the wage bill he should be able to gift the club the working capital over the a set period or act as a the guarantor for that period that way if he pulls out the club are still safe untill they can reduce the operating costs back to the original or sustainable level

 

the EFLs rules means chairman have to find creative ways to inject cash in to the club to enable them to invest 

 

selling grounds sponsoring shirts and stands making up new bull revenue streams it’s all nonsense 

 

if wealthy chairmen can provide financial funding and act as guarantors they should be able to its their money 


but this is the problem the wealthy owners won’t gift money on failure, and that’s why ffp is needed, it’s just so poorly cobbled together in this format it can’t work. How can a club losing that much money over three years be viable anyhow? It’s no deterrent atm as we are clearly finding out. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

Do keep up Barmy 

I've already spilled my bladder ....8Vm6n4e.gif.b289e046bcfc7b482fe5c21558aa9a07.gif

My bad OG.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, HarrowbyOwl said:

Imagine we’ll be first. On 27 Dec the club said they were appointing arbitrators, so the procedure has already started, whereas the charges against Derby are recent

 Need to get reading, on board and go for a class action against em :biggrin:

Fans as well, untold damage to wellbeing, lack of sleep and deciding if to buy a 50 yr season ticket.

Gorra be worth a few mil each

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...