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21 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

Ok what about this for a very very out there paranoid theory........

 

Wasnt Parry one of the initial pioneers of the premier league? 
 

what if he has taken this role to cause chaos with the efl to break it down so badly that the PL2 can be created with clubs saying fizz you????
 

mmmm is it out of the realms of possibility?

 

 

Being schooled by a certain Mr Scudamore, as his unemployed independent advisor................

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38 minutes ago, Ferkorf said:

So thats us and Derby anyway in a pickle,  was Villa the other club gibson called out?

If they are back down next season could all 3 of us be deducted points. What a start to the season that would be for the other clubs.

Imagine if all 3 went down.

League one could be the new championship, Us being the massive club, then Villa, Derby, Sunderland, Stoke, Ipswich, Coventry, Barnsley, Rovrum, Huddersfield, Blackpool, Portsmouth, Bolton (if they pull off a miracle), then add the likes of Donny, Bradford, Grimsby, Salford just for laugh 

 

All starting on minus 21, with a spending budget of £13:50 each. 

 

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13 minutes ago, bigthinrob said:

Whatever the EFLs side is, they've clearly admitted they messed up in some shape or form & once they've done that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on. Derby's lawyers will decimate them & any other actions against other clubs will carry zero credibility.

 

Also if they (EFL) lose the case & have to eat humble pie for once, if it's seen to have impacted on Derby's fortunes the damages could be very punitive.

 

 

They’ve already just lost one arbitration case where they appealed against what they thought was an over lenient punishment decided by a disciplinary commission against Bolton

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51020339

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Just now, HarrowbyOwl said:

They’ve already just lost one arbitration case where they appealed against what they thought was an over lenient punishment decided by a disciplinary commission against Bolton

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51020339

Then gave a different punishment to Macc Town.

 

At least HMRC are consistent in being two hats 

 

Even HMRC don't approve something and then decide they were wrong - unless there was substantial new evidence 

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I can’t see this ending well for the EFL. 

 

Premier League 2 incoming...

 

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23 minutes ago, bigthinrob said:

Whatever the EFLs side is, they've clearly admitted they messed up in some shape or form & once they've done that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on. Derby's lawyers will decimate them & any other actions against other clubs will carry zero credibility.

 

Also if they (EFL) lose the case & have to eat humble pie for once, if it's seen to have impacted on Derby's fortunes the damages could be very punitive.

 

 

The consequential losses of imposed ‘embargoes’, adverse publicity, deterrence of players joining a club threatened with potential points deductions, restrictions on trading could be astronomical just by one club let alone 2, 3 or more.

 

The EFL are going out swinging....

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1 hour ago, The only way is S6 said:

Just looked at EFL website

 

Board consists of Rick Parry Chairman 

Debbie Jevans CBE

Simon Bazalgette - Brentford

Mark Ashton - Bristol City (Ashton!)

Stephen Pearce - Derby CFC

Nigel Howe - Reading

Jez Moxey - Burton

Stephen Curwood - Fleetwood

John Nixon - Carlisle

 

So, somebody on there from both Reading & Derby. What a farce.

Looking at the EFL brand and values, they mention ‘Credibility’ - it seems that has currently gone out of the window.

Based on their handling of current cases , I expected their ‘mission statement’ to contain the word ‘transparency’ - no sign of it.

By the way these two cases are unfolding, it seems and they are taking on too much at the moment. 

Even if we are guilty as charged, there’s a chance that we could get a repreive due to EFL incompetence. They don’t come across as being in a position to afford the legal experts that this will need. 

Or, we are dead in the water and the club statements and repeated non statements are a load of bunkum. 

 

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Looks to me like the EFL have backed themselves into a corner with us and Derby, especially if reports that both clubs have written consent are true.

If so, I don't see how they can come out of this with any credibility. Their options are limited.

 

1. Back down and their reputation and authority will be seriously compromised.

2. Try to bully a concession and end up losing in court, thus confirming their incompetence and rendering themselves toothless.

 

Its the utter contempt and arrogance the way they conduct their business that rankles the most.

Sincerely hope that PL2 is the outcome and that the EFL will be remembered as nothing more than irrelevant bully boys.

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2 minutes ago, snaykz said:

I can’t see this ending well for the EFL. 

 

Premier League 2 incoming...

 

I personally think the Premier League will increase by at least two clubs in the not too distant ...

They will cease to support the league cup unless they are permitted to field academy teams and come in at the  5th round Fa Cup stage ...that's the power that they have 

 

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Wonder who's in the dock first us or Derby.

Winner may take all

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10 minutes ago, mkowl said:

 - unless there was substantial new evidence 

In our case they said the misconduct charges were brought after information in documents ‘some seen for the first time’ came to light. Whether they hadn’t been seen because of their own negligence/incompetence or we hadn’t submitted them remains to be seen.

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10 minutes ago, snaykz said:

 

 

Premier League 2 incoming...

 

how would that work ?...…….

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Interesting that they've chosen the same tactic as we have, challenging the legality of the charges.

 

Took their time issuing a statement, wonder if there has been any consultation with our lawyers, or if they are the same. 

 

Have to say this eases my concern about our case, the action we brought was unprecedented, but now joined by Derby puts further focus and pressure on the EFL. Wouldn't surprise me if Birmingham and Reading join in when/if charged. 

 

The accounting practices used by both of us were suspect morally, but perfectly legal, agreed and ratified by the EFL. the EFL, now going back to try and retrospectively close a loophole and find technicalities to justify charges should fail the point of law underpinning both our cases. 

 

Both DC and Mel Morris are belligerent owners and will fight the EFL to the death. Hopefully both of us will be victorious.

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2 minutes ago, sherlyegg said:

Wonder who's in the dock first us or Derby.

Winner may take all

Imagine we’ll be first. On 27 Dec the club said they were appointing arbitrators, so the procedure has already started, whereas the charges against Derby are recent

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1 hour ago, Bigblueowl said:

I thinks theres a new boy in town who's walking around with his knackers out claiming that they're massive!!! 

It looks like he might get castrated at this rate

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The wise thing to do here is pool knowledge and resources with Derby..

 

Two are stronger than one imo..

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If the EFL put sanctions on clubs and we take them to the high courts for unlawful action and win then the EFL could be paying out 100s of millions in compo for potential loss if earnings 

 

these cases will be complex but it seems the EFLs days of playing god judge and jury and the incompetence of their rulings and governence could be about to bite them in their self royal back side 

 

then can throw this rubbish about with little clubs but there rules prevent wealthy chairman from progressing and I don’t for one minute think there competencies against chansiri and Derby’s legal teams will hold up 

 

there walking a fine line and I think they will get rinsed in court 

 

these unqualified jokers have been governing the football league and got way above their station 

 

it’s about time their incompetence because accountable instead of them trying to play judge and jury 

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16 minutes ago, HarrowbyOwl said:

In our case they said the misconduct charges were brought after information in documents ‘some seen for the first time’ came to light. Whether they hadn’t been seen because of their own negligence/incompetence or we hadn’t submitted them remains to be seen.

 

Who knows - I suspect the evidence may get in the public domain if this did get to a legal stage. 

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7 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

I personally think the Premier League will increase by at least two clubs in the not too distant ...

They will cease to support the league cup unless they are permitted to field academy teams and come in at the  5th round Fa Cup stage ...that's the power that they have 

 

ive spotted a fault …..the 5th round as 16 clubs in it …..add on the 20  premier clubs and that's 36 , the 6th round would have 18 , the 7th round  would have 9 then you come to the tricky bit of getting 4 semi finalists  from  9 teams …...lol

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