OwlofOliveGrove Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, deano said: I still think he will come But that's none of our business really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, cowl said: I'd dearly love for us to copy Brentford's approach. It isn't that it's particularly complicated really, but it's principled and they stick to it. But more to the point, it's proving to be successful for them both financially and on the pitch too. One great additional consequence of their approach is they have very little need for the over-priced loan market. In fact, I don't think they've used it for a number of seasons now (well, at least for bringing players in). As it is for us though, trying to manage our striking options between now and May, and assuming we've not really been seriously looking at talent in Leagues One and Two, I'm not opposed to us bringing Wickham in. I'd like to think we could embrace a more forward thinking Brentford-style approach, but I doubt there'd be the necessary commitment to this from Chansiri. I agree entirely with the Brentford approach but you do realise it involves scrapping the academy system as we know it completely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, sMacLean said: The build up and focus on Wickham is something you'd expect to be getting Mbappe at the end of. That’s how desperate we are for a bit of quality up top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, beswetherick said: Classic Wednesday. Leave it to the last minute and then it all falls apart surely we will have other deals on the back burner. We can’t be that naive to put all our eggs on Wickham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I've seen the interview with Hodgson, it didn't rule anything out at all. Just pretty much confirmed he's available but the deal has to be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Hogeson: "I dont know what's happening with connor" Reporter: ok I'll post it as hes staying then. Journalists man such a lazy bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 An interesting set of views from some Cardiff fans on the Rhodes, or Wickham debate! Are they seeing this more, or less clearly than us, or is the selection of views chosen because it could better reflect the actual outcome now? Plenty of Cardiff from the Facebook group ‘Only One Cardiff City‘ reacted to the news, but not all of them were sold on the speculation: Robert Flynn: What’s the point must have service. Same as strikers before and present. No service no goals. Kevin Ridge (replying to above): Agreed… Nothing more you can add to that. James Reader: I’d prefer Rhodes to Wickham. Stuart McNab: Rhodes all day. Sefton Howells: Let’s stick with what we got until the summer and make a go for it next season. Paul Williams: A poor choice of both but Rhodes over Wickham for me. David John: Midfield we need to strengthen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, cowl said: I'd dearly love for us to copy Brentford's approach. It isn't that it's particularly complicated really, but it's principled and they stick to it. But more to the point, it's proving to be successful for them both financially and on the pitch too. One great additional consequence of their approach is they have very little need for the over-priced loan market. In fact, I don't think they've used it for a number of seasons now (well, at least for bringing players in). As it is for us though, trying to manage our striking options between now and May, and assuming we've not really been seriously looking at talent in Leagues One and Two, I'm not opposed to us bringing Wickham in. I'd like to think we could embrace a more forward thinking Brentford-style approach, but I doubt there'd be the necessary commitment to this from Chansiri. I don't think it should be underestimated how much experience and solid structure there is behind the scenes for that to work. Including a lot of knowledge and trust being passed on from the top down and bottom up. We just have some guy who has money, doesn't know anything about football or the culture of OUR fans. Is trying to understand but gets really frustrated and erratic when he doesn't connect with us. He fails to plan medium to long term. He fails to retain any significant backroom staff with footballing knowledge and he fails to want to employ anyone to help him. We are a million light years away from being as well run as a team like Brentford. And after that comment in bold I am waiting keenly for someone to say, 'well we aren't that much behind them to say how well run Brentford are'... but don't you see if we operated as successfully as a team like Brentford we'd be a scaled up version of them. We'd be a Premier league club year on year. We'd have a full stadium. We'd be making money. Edited January 30, 2020 by TheEnchanter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Rhodes name still carries the history of loadsa goals. It's why our fans got so excited about signing him. Wickhams name is just one of loadsa injuries. But our fans remember him scoring for us on loan years ago. Not surprised that Cardiff fans would prefer Rhodes tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesdaywizard Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, trev said: Rhodes name still carries the history of loadsa goals. It's why our fans got so excited about signing him. Wickhams name is just one of loadsa injuries. But our fans remember him scoring for us on loan years ago. Not surprised that Cardiff fans would prefer Rhodes tbh. One thing is certain, and that's that Jordan Rhodes isn't working for us and we need to try something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: surely we will have other deals on the back burner. We can’t be that naive to put all our eggs on Wickham. Charlton's Lyle Taylor, Bristol Rover's Jonson Clarke-Harris? Neither are filling me with great confidence, but then the only one I could get excited about would be a loan deal part exchange with Peterborough, using Rhodes and/or Winnall, but that is not going to happen, so i just hope we get some unknown goal hero in the making for next to nowt, either signed up, or with a pre-contractual agreement in place if he turns out to be what we want. Now unless our new scouts are much better than the player touts we have had in recent years, we will just have to keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best. Come on Wednesday, be lucky, be downright filthy flukey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said: surely we will have other deals on the back burner. We can’t be that naive to put all our eggs on Wickham. The deal was supposedly there to be done weeks ago, and our only centre forward who resembles a professional footballer is injured. It’s frustrating that our squad clearly needed refreshing at the start of the month - let alone now - and we’re a day away from the end of the window with two unknown quantities, one of whom is for the development squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) BBC saying Palace are going after Bowen from Hull now. Bowen to Palace, hopefully Wickham to us and Maddison to Hull would be my guess. Personally would love Maddison here, obviously with no money won’t happen. Edited January 30, 2020 by WalthamOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, beswetherick said: The deal was supposedly there to be done weeks ago, and our only centre forward who resembles a professional footballer is injured. It’s frustrating that our squad clearly needed refreshing at the start of the month - let alone now - and we’re a day away from the end of the window with two unknown quantities, one of whom is for the development squad have to agree, we have been desperate for a forward to replace Fletcher all of the transfer window. Frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, WalthamOwl said: BBC saying Palace are going after Bowen from Hull now. Smashing, super, lovely, marvelous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, roaminowl said: Smashing, super, lovely, marvelous. Let's see what you could have won..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I don't think it should be underestimated how much experience and solid structure there is behind the scenes for that to work. Including a lot of knowledge and trust being passed on from the top down and bottom up. We just have some guy who has money, doesn't know anything about football or the culture of OUR fans. Is trying to understand but gets really frustrated and erratic when he doesn't connect with us. He fails to plan medium to long term. He fails to retain any significant backroom staff with footballing knowledge and he fails to want to employ anyone to help him. We are a million light years away from being as well run as a team like Brentford. And after that comment in bold I am waiting keenly for someone to say, 'well we aren't that much behind them to say how well run Brentford are'... but don't you see if we operated as successfully as a team like Brentford we'd be a scaled up version of them. We'd be a Premier league club year on year. We'd have a full stadium. We'd be making money. Brentford outsource their recruitment to a private company who in turn recruit via algorithms ........ so far so good for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, wednesdaywizard said: One thing is certain, and that's that Jordan Rhodes isn't working for us and we need to try something different. Yes but could JR then go on to do as well as expected somewhere else? Could Wickham go on to do as well as expected here? Also, are Wednesdayites who are getting all excited about Wickham, just remembering the few goals he scored for us when on loan? All of the dream scenarios we are discussing here are based on what these two players are expected to still be capable of, but when you look at all the times those expectations have been broken should we maybe look somewhere new, where expectations will be lower (not to mention the wages, signing on fees, possible transfer fees etc). We have a team based pretty much on big wages, old ages and optimism (DC's & ours), which has only just been held together of late by younger players seemingly on lower wages and a couple of quality players. Shouldn't we be taking a more accurate look at who needs to go and who needs to come in and then concentrate on getting those deals done, rather than just hoping that somebody might come in for Rhodes (yet again) and us just taking whoever is available? I totally disagree with the way we have done business in recent years. We have just gone out and bought or loaned so many players without pinpointing exactly the kind of player we want, age, temperament, skill, stamina, personality etc etc and now we keep getting situations where 90% of the team are coming up to 30 or over and big surprise, a lot of them have injury problems!, we play teams that like to pressure teams and big surprise, too many of our players have no stamina or fight in them. Well you cannot expect to have a fit, hungry team of players with strength and stamina when half the players we have brought in are at the tail end of their careers, have not been playing regularly, or well for a while, have long standing issues with fitness or come to us with fitness issues actually as they are signed up! Fletcher who amazingly is such an important player for us all of a sudden is injured, he bl00dy well came to us injured, as did several others, one of which we have only just manage to get rid of! We do not particularly have to follow any other team's model for recruiting players, we just need to learn from the F***ing stupid mistakes that we keep making over and over and over again! Edited January 30, 2020 by Ante's Bubbly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I don't think it should be underestimated how much experience and solid structure there is behind the scenes for that to work. Including a lot of knowledge and trust being passed on from the top down and bottom up. We just have some guy who has money, doesn't know anything about football or the culture of OUR fans. Is trying to understand but gets really frustrated and erratic when he doesn't connect with us. He fails to plan medium to long term. He fails to retain any significant backroom staff with footballing knowledge and he fails to want to employ anyone to help him. We are a million light years away from being as well run as a team like Brentford. And after that comment in bold I am waiting keenly for someone to say, 'well we aren't that much behind them to say how well run Brentford are'... but don't you see if we operated as successfully as a team like Brentford we'd be a scaled up version of them. We'd be a Premier league club year on year. We'd have a full stadium. We'd be making money. I'm in full agreement with your every word. I was being somewhat intentionally opaque by characterising that which is missing from Chansiri's attributes as merely being 'commitment'. In reality, the last five years have suggested that all the traits required to make the Brentford model work are missing with Chansiri, and so we may as well just wish for a lottery win. For an owner who's genuinely minded towards setting such a system up though, it would be very achievable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Brentford outsource their recruitment to a private company who in turn recruit via algorithms ........ so far so good for them You're correct. And I know it isn't cheap for them to do that. It's not something that I'd necessarily want us to do and can see it's a model that wouldn't work for all clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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