sheffsteel Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) It’s a common misconception that Forest are such a big club. Accept that winning the European Cup twice is massive but most of Forest’s history they’ve been (at best) firmly a middle sized club. Lets compare 3 clubs using the following stats. Seasons in the top flight, highest average attendance, number of seasons averaging over 25K, league titles win and FA cups won. Forest have been in the top flight 56, seasons, Blades 61 seasons, Owls 66 season. Forest best support ever averaged 32K, Blades 35K, Owls 42K Forest have averaged over 25K on 13 occasions, Blades 20 times, Owls 33 times Forest league titles = 1, Blades league titles = 1, Owls won the league 3 times. Forest have won the FA cup 2 times, Blades 4 times and Owls 3 times. Since 1971 Forest have only averaged over 25,000 for a total of 5 (five) seasons....that’s pretty poor support over the last 50 years. Regards Brighton they have no history...they've only ever completed 6 (six) seasons in the top flight. Edited January 6, 2020 by sheffsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffsteel Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 However......stats are not linear History is obviously important regards the image of a club but current day and very recent history should always carry a bigger weighting. I suppose Brighton are creating their history now....good luck to em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 For most people watching Wednesday post 2000 these threads are as embarrassing as seeing whos dad is bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I flipping hate Brihton. Tin pot club. Plastic fans (where were they when they were poo? How many know where the Goldstone was?) Everything that is wrong with the gentrification of football in one horrible waste of space of a club. Post FACup generation. I very much doubt they were crying into their quinoa salads and artisanal gins. lobbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, NorthernOwl said: Fair to say they wouldn't be tuning in to watch us either if we ever got promoted I did say this afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: For most people watching Wednesday post 2000 these threads are as embarrassing as seeing whos dad is bigger. Tbf, the original intention was to have a bit of a laugh at Brighton's expense. If people want to call them tinpot or plastic, then that's up to them. Ultimately, they are a well run club with a nice stadium. They currently occupy the PL and could quite easily buy our best player tomorrow. Still - if people want to take the mickey out of them, then I don't really see any harm in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandOwl Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The Premier League are desperate for club like us, Leeds etc to get promoted. Teams such as Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich etc do nothing for their product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, PortlandOwl said: The Premier League are desperate for club like us, Leeds etc to get promoted. Teams such as Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich etc do nothing for their product. Honestly, I'm not sure if it makes a huge amount of difference. Domestically, a game featuring Leeds and possibly us is likely to attrach higher viewership than a game between Bournemouth and Brighton...but realistically the Prem these days is sold on the fact that it features several very high profile clubs and the rest are pretty much making up the numbers. Aston Villa went back up last season. Historically, a huge club, but does that realy count for all that much when you are looking to sell the PL abroad? Finally, not sure I'd chuck in the likes of Watford, Norwich etc., into the "plastic" club cateogry (if we are having one). Both are well-established clubs with good history and fanbases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, torres said: Any updates on this? Not yet. I understand they are still working on the alphabet. They've got up to F. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, SiJ said: Not yet. I understand they are still working on the alphabet. They've got up to F. Forking hell, bet it's Foresteiri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Rather be tin pot and in their position than 'massive' and a complete mess like our club Laughable that people think we are a huge club still Not been in the top league for 2 decades 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastern Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?377504-Tinpot-Albion-Massive-Fail some of them really don’t like us. I really cannot understand their insecurities. Given where they were 20 years ago, they rival Wimbledon in terms of quick success. I am not a their stadium. It does not have much character or atmosphere. However they have done things the right way on and off the pitch and we can learn a lot from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eastern said: https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?377504-Tinpot-Albion-Massive-Fail some of them really don’t like us. I really cannot understand their insecurities. Given where they were 20 years ago, they rival Wimbledon in terms of quick success. I am not a their stadium. It does not have much character or atmosphere. However they have done things the right way on and off the pitch and we can learn a lot from them. I think thats a little bit of the point. It isn't 20 years ago and for a lot of fans those 20 years ago mean nothing. Its about now and looking forward. That's why certain teams find us insufferable because we go on about the 90s and Hirst and Waddle. It gets boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'llNeverBeMastered Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I think thats a little bit of the point. It isn't 20 years ago and for a lot of fans those 20 years ago mean nothing. Its about now and looking forward. That's why certain teams find us insufferable because we go on about the 90s and Hirst and Waddle. It gets boring. And who cares what other clubs think? Personally couldn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton84 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Owls2k said: Blimey, and people say some football fans don't have humility... Brighton left their stadium in '97 and had to travel to Gillingham for 2 full seasons to watch their team 'at home', a lovely 140 mile round trip there. Then they played at the Withdean for 12 full seasons which was a disgraceful place to have to watch football, truly demoralising for any fan. I, for one and so thankful we've never had go through such a prolonged ordeal. How do you feel towards those hardy fans who travelling to Gillingham then, and those who stuck it out at that horrific ground for over a decade? "They just couldn't be arsed until the going got good" 2005 - Withdean Stadium - Championship Finish 20th - Att. 6,426 2015 - Amex- Championship Finish 20th - Att. 25,645 Maybe they just wanted a ground that wasn't a bomb site? Pretty reasonable if you ask me. Absolutely. Great post. Some interesting posts on here, especially the ones about our ground considering the state of yours... With the sea one side and the Downs the other, it took years to get planning permission. Its out of town, but we'll take that after going so long without a ground. Much nicer setting than an industrial site, anyhow. Yeah we've attracted a lot of new fans, not going to deny that, but around the city and Sussex there was always a very large interest in the club despite the predicament we were in. Huge and quite unique protests etc that helped to rid prior owners in late 90s and further on push through planning permission. Not being in the top division doesn't mean we don't have history as some here suggest. majority of the kids across the city support the club, too, which wasn't the case through the 90s especially. 25k average when we were poo in the championship, so it's not like we're suddenly finding loads more fans now we're in the Prem. Ignore the 'massive' crap on our board. Away from the message boards vast majority of our fans are reasonable grounded folk. True of any club compared to its message board, I guess. Edited January 6, 2020 by Brighton84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton84 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 05/01/2020 at 14:57, thesouthowl said: We took well over 2k yesterday, if the game was at Hillsborough they would of brought around 200 Our away following averaged about 1500 throughout championship years, when crap too. Before the amex away attendances were always decent too. Not all that bad when you have to travel through/around London for every game in the midlands/up north - of which there were always loads. Bit easier and cheaper to travel to games when you're based smack bang in the middle of the country, eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl.1867 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brighton84 said: Absolutely. Great post. Some interesting posts on here, especially the ones about our ground considering the state of yours... With the sea one side and the Downs the other, it took years to get planning permission. Its out of town, but we'll take that after going so long without a ground. Much nicer setting than an industrial site, anyhow. Yeah we've attracted a lot of new fans, not going to deny that, but around the city and Sussex there was always a very large interest in the club despite the predicament we were in. Huge and quite unique protests etc that helped to rid prior owners in late 90s and further on push through planning permission. Not being in the top division doesn't mean we don't have history as some here suggest. majority of the kids across the city support the club, too, which wasn't the case through the 90s especially. 25k average when we were poo in the championship, so it's not like we're suddenly finding loads more fans now we're in the Prem. Ignore the 'massive' crap on our board. Away from the message boards vast majority of our fans are reasonable grounded folk. True of any club compared to its message board, I guess. I'm sorry, and appreciate it's all opinions, but your ground just leaves me cold every time I've been there. I get the issues of the past and it's great that you've been able to have a real home now, but the mixture of soulless ground, poor facilities and awful transport just boggles me. As I said originally; if you're going to have a soulless bowl then the trade off you expect is excellent transport and facilities which you just dont have. Have to say, Millwall did well with their new build, as did Boro (if you ignore the fact it's in Middlesbrough). Maybe in time you'll build that identity and atmosphere but right now you're just a slightly bigger MK Dons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton84 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 05/01/2020 at 14:42, Half time Bovril said: The irony is they know we are a bigger club than them. So we do seem massive in comparison. When they came to a bouncing full Hillsborough in the playoffs they saw something they can never replicate. What a night that was. Give over. Atmosphere at that second leg was electric at the Amex, too. Lots of your fans I spoke to after that game were really impressed with the ground and the atmosphere that night. Atmosphere at the Amex is often pretty decent. As decent as it gets in this country thesedays, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl.1867 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brighton84 said: Our away following averaged about 1500 throughout championship years, when crap too. Before the amex away attendances were always decent too. Not all that bad when you have to travel through/around London for every game in the midlands/up north - of which there were always loads. Bit easier and cheaper to travel to games when you're based smack bang in the middle of the country, eh... I'd love to see stats on this; never brought more than a bus to Hillsborough. I do agree with you on the geographical thing though; anywhere too far north of London is going to be annoying to get to for you lot and that includes a lot of clubs so fair play on that side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton84 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Animis said: Remember them in the same league (3) in 77 - they went up averaging around 20k. We didn't Always found them a decent sized club, with a big catchment area. Exactly. People base their opinions of us as a club because of the 90s and 2000s, when the club was ripped apart by rogue owners. Just like the younger generations will base their opinion of you guys on the 2000s and 2010s. We've always had decent support and a big catchment area. Edited January 6, 2020 by Brighton84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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