victorturner Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Not surprised that KW does not fancy being on the bench but if he does not move this month, he is going to find it very difficult continuing to do that. I also wonder whether he has a chronic injury which might be the reason he made those mistakes. Jos obviously was unhappy with his fitness and pointedly said he liked players to train every day in order to be picked , which might have excluded KW and Hutchinson from the team. Before the last Swansea goal, you could see him stretching his arms before the corner as if he had a problem. Mind you, he might be thinking that the way he got jostled by attackers with little protection from defenders that match justifies a bit of a feeling of injustice, deepened maybe by Dawson campaigning by talking regularly to the local press about wanting his chance, saying being disappointed he wasn't picked when KW became available after injury and suspension and seeing helpful newspaper talk this season about other clubs being after him as welcome no doubt. For the goal where he dropped the ball, he was also pushed in the back from what I recall but he should not have dropped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, victorturner said: Not surprised that KW does not fancy being on the bench but if he does not move this month, he is going to find it very difficult continuing to do that. I also wonder whether he has a chronic injury which might be the reason he made those mistakes. Jos obviously was unhappy with his fitness and pointedly said he liked players to train every day in order to be picked , which might have excluded KW and Hutchinson from the team. Before the last Swansea goal, you could see him stretching his arms before the corner as if he had a problem. Mind you, he might be thinking that the way he got jostled by attackers with little protection from defenders that match justifies a bit of a feeling of injustice, deepened maybe by Dawson campaigning by talking regularly to the local press about wanting his chance, saying being disappointed he wasn't picked when KW became available after injury and suspension and seeing helpful newspaper talk this season about other clubs being after him as welcome no doubt. For the goal where he dropped the ball, he was also pushed in the back from what I recall but he should not have dropped it. So that’s the Swansea excuses out of the way. If you can come up with some more excuses for his errors against WBA, Blackburn, Fulham, reading and Millwall then we can drop Dawson and get Westwood back in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Unbelievable that some people are still in denial about him. He picks and chooses when he wants to be available. Always has. Well known for it within the game. We pay him a fortune for the privilege. Needs dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, 83owl said: So that’s the Swansea excuses out of the way. If you can come up with some more excuses for his errors against WBA, Blackburn, Fulham, reading and Millwall then we can drop Dawson and get Westwood back in. Not suggesting that at all if you re read what I wrote. In those other matches, the errors were not glaring and there is a case for him eg the first one dashing out at Reading when a hesitant Odebajo was uncertain about that guy bursting through and the other match where he dashed out and was unlucky as he reached out for the ball at waist height on the edge of the area and the guy went down..penalty..very unfortunate. De Gea has had bad/unlucky spells too. The defence this season has good figures but has not always looked sound. Hector was error prone but played better overall last season than current central defenders eg Iorfa at fault in both goals vs Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Farrell said: Unbelievable that some people are still in denial about him. He picks and chooses when he wants to be available. Always has. Well known for it within the game. We pay him a fortune for the privilege. Needs dealing with. Perhaps Luhukay had him figured out after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Perhaps Luhukay had him figured out after all? Jos hasn't figured out yet if he prefers Geraniums or tulips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Farrell said: Jos hasn't figured out yet if he prefers Geraniums or tulips. I'm struck by how similar a stance to his you're adopting on this matter twelve months after the fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Perhaps Luhukay had him figured out after all? Jos had quite a bit figured out but he did like Thorniley so is that good or bad? Nobody knows much how he's doing with form fitness etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I'm struck by how similar a stance to his you're adopting on this matter twelve months after the fact... We gave him a new massive contract. The Chairman sanctioned that. Do we even know what we are doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: We gave him a new massive contract. The Chairman sanctioned that. Do we even know what we are doing ? If he's as bad as you say he is, maybe we should have got rid when Luhukay gave us the chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Make him available immediately on either loan or a nominal fee. His career with us is over. Chucking a sicky is totally different to getting forced out by joker Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: If he's as bad as you say he is, maybe we should have got rid when Luhukay gave us the chance? Ridiculous to say he is bad. He has had a few bad matches but still made outstanding saves. De Gea has bad spells-does not get dropped. Now he is out obviously he stays out as Dawson is decent but Dawson did agitate in the press for his chance and was threatening to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Mr Farrell said: Make him available immediately on either loan or a nominal fee. His career with us is over. Chucking a sicky is totally different to getting forced out by joker Jos. He must be certain to go this month. Cannot stay at home on match days forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, victorturner said: Ridiculous to say he is bad. He has had a few bad matches but still made outstanding saves. De Gea has bad spells-does not get dropped. Now he is out obviously he stays out as Dawson is decent but Dawson did agitate in the press for his chance and was threatening to leave. I didn't say he was bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, victorturner said: He must be certain to go this month. Cannot stay at home on match days forever. He'll do it as long as we let him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Nothing to do with his ability. Not sure people struggle to grasp it. This is about being prepared to try and win your shirt back, when you've lost it based on form. Really isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: We gave him a new massive contract. The Chairman sanctioned that. Do we even know what we are doing ? How much is he on then? You seem to know the details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: How much is he on then? You seem to know the details Welcome to Owlstalk Westy. Good day in front of the tv again today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, victorturner said: ...but Dawson did agitate in the press for his chance and was threatening to leave. That was Wildsmith wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: Welcome to Owlstalk Westy. Good day in front of the tv again today ? But seriously though.. reckon he’ll have had a pay cut given what’s going off with FFP. Seem to remember Bruce putting it as ‘I’ve made him an offer and will see what we can do’. Then it took months to be agreed. Think the 2 years length of contract was likely as a sweetener for taking a wage drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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