Lord Snooty Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Hoilett 'tackle' on Palmer - : “I don’t want red cards for players, it’s not about the individual but if you’re talking about the tackle, it’s nothing other than a red card. It’s reckless and it’s out of control, whether your feet are on the floor or not. I’ve got a player on the treatment player with an ankle the size of a balloon and if you can’t see that from four yards away as the fourth official or the referee, you have to ask them. If it was just a normal tackle like they said it was then why has he got a yellow card? It’s either nothing or it’s a red card, it can’t be a yellow card. You’d have to ask them. I don’t understand it, I don’t understand how they’ve come to that decision. Don't let this interfere with the result. I'm not excusing that. This is totally something else a different subject. But this is a red card. " - Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everywhere & nowhere Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 He’s bang on isn’t he - one of the worst decisions for some time. If neither 4th official or lino couldn’t confirm that as a red when obvious to literally everyone else in the ground, you’ve got to question what standard refs are working to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 “I thought it was borderline. it was right in front of me at the time and I thought the speed that it happened, it looked worse than it was. What I will say is that Junior has hardly been booked in about eight seasons of football, so he’s not a malicious player. It doesn’t make the tackle right or wrong with that, but his foot was clearly on the floor. Neil Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulsar Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Hmm okay ^^^ Diplomatic (blinkered) words from Neil Millwall Harris. Edited December 30, 2019 by Pulsar Toning down of my reply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Pulsar said: Hmm okay ^^^ Diplomatic (blinkered) words from Neil Millwall Harris. No manager is (or very few managers are) going to admit their player subjected a potential leg-breaking foul on an opponent. The fact that Harris says it wa borderline speaks volumes about how bad it actually was. Edited December 30, 2019 by shandypants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 When I was watching the game, part of me was expecting Monk to go mental after the tackle went in. Even if it got him sent into the stands. Could have influenced the ref to give a red to Hoilett, and could have changed the outcome of the game if they were reduced to 10. A key moment in the game that we failed to capitalise on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 It was borderline. Should have been a red, but I can see why it wasn’t given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Never seen the centre of the South Stand all go up in outrage together before. The referees have a little cosy private club where the pay is excellent and in the main better performing newer younger applicants on merit are NOT encouraged ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Ronio said: When I was watching the game, part of me was expecting Monk to go mental after the tackle went in. Even if it got him sent into the stands. Could have influenced the ref to give a red to Hoilett, and could have changed the outcome of the game if they were reduced to 10. A key moment in the game that we failed to capitalise on. So it’s monks fault we didn’t get any points from the game because he didn’t get sent to the stands. Brilliant. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Nick Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Never seen the centre of the South Stand all go up in outrage together before. The referees have a little cosy private club where the pay is excellent and in the main better performing newer younger applicants on merit are NOT encouraged ! Seems so....to get a ref job, you'd better "dumb down" and not threaten the abilities of your "superiors." I-Follow focuses on the pitch, never pans out into the stands, I can just imagine the Kop if the "gentrified Stand" was up in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binky Griptite Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I screamed red but it was never going to be given. The ref set his stall out early by allowing play on when Winnall got a nudge in the back and then penalising Lees (I think) for an identical challenge about 30 seconds later. I've seen worse refereeing performances (big fan of him adding on seven minutes to each half... primaily due to the injuries but I think it also compensated for the ridiculously slow, timewasting nature of everything Cardiff did) but it seemed he was determined to give any borderline decisions to Cardiff in an attempt not to be a 'home ref'. You have to ask if that wasn't worthy of a red, what was? And i think the answer probably would have been evident had Hutchinson made a similar challenge in 'retribution'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCOWl Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, 83owl said: So it’s monks fault we didn’t get any points from the game because he didn’t get sent to the stands. Brilliant. Sack him. Lump on Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosovo'sNo.9 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 No one should be surprised, this is the same ref who sent off Fessi against Hull for getting chopped down by Dawson. That's 2 games where he has made a horrendous decision against us. eejit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Disgraceful decision not to give a red. Our players should have been hounding the ref and threatening their player to stick up for palmer. Don't care if it wouldn't have changed anything, at least it would have shown some fight and spirit. Related note. Var is being roundly criticised and is hated by most. I reckon if we played in a league that had it we'd be better off. That was a red and would have been one. We have penalty decisions turned down every other game that would probably be given. Nowt goes our way though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: “I thought it was borderline. it was right in front of me at the time and I thought the speed that it happened, it looked worse than it was. What I will say is that Junior has hardly been booked in about eight seasons of football, so he’s not a malicious player. It doesn’t make the tackle right or wrong with that, but his foot was clearly on the floor. Neil Harris Just the 28 yellow cards in the last 8 seasons, Neil. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/junior-hoilett/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/58993 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swinners Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 "you'd have to ask the referee", thing is though, no one ever does, do they? They always get away Scott free from stuff like this. Who asks them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, latemodelchild said: Disgraceful decision not to give a red. Our players should have been hounding the ref and threatening their player to stick up for palmer. Don't care if it wouldn't have changed anything, at least it would have shown some fight and spirit. Related note. Var is being roundly criticised and is hated by most. I reckon if we played in a league that had it we'd be better off. That was a red and would have been one. We have penalty decisions turned down every other game that would probably be given. Nowt goes our way though. We beat Bristol after being awarded a soft penalty. Stoke also had an absolute stonewall penalty turned down against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The standard of reffing in the Championship is shocking. Literally one idiot after another. It was a shocking challenge that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I just think the referees should have to become accountable for there decisions and have to justify them every game pre and post managers and players are interviewed I think if you interview the referee after the game they would be less likely to make such howlers also VAR is not the answer especially in the current format we’ve seen it’s ruining the premier league how about the referees have 1 hour after the final whistle to review the big decisions obviously they won’t be able to overturn goals as they change the result but they can overturn the red card/ no red card decisions before submitting their reports they can then stand there like managers and players a like and be interviewed I’m getting a little fed up of these so called officials being told it’s a hard job and they need better protecting all that’s happening is they are given licence to make poor decisions then hide behind how difficult it is or the game is ruined is getting slowed down and ruined by that VAR nonsense which asks the questions what on earth is the point of the linesman in the premier league needs a massive review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentwalker Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 you don't like to see it but often now you need to try and influence the referee's decision any way you can. As soon as that tackle wen't in the players should have been in the ref's face kicking off, pushing and shoving their guy etc. You see this all the time and it DOES influence the referee's decision. We don't do enough of this as a team IMO, we've been a soft touch for years dating way back to the prem days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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