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2 minutes ago, A E Neuman NYowl said:

Sam Allardyce wrote an article in the football league paper last week basically saying that Jordan Rhodes needed to change his style and do much more than lurk in the penalty box if he wanted to succeed.

 

Now I am not a fan of SA but I think he is spot on with his comments, at times it is like playing with 10 men when you have a player like Rhodes in the team.

 

Obviously it's not Rhodes fault we lost today, just a shocking team selection from the man in charge.


tbf and I really like big Sam , it’s hardly a surprising comment from a manager who’s views are his entire team need to work hard  and close down. 

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Rhodes can only play in a partnership in a team that gets the ball in the box, otherwise he’s anonymous. We only have one striker in the squad who he can play off so he might as well sit at home until Fletcher is back.

 

 

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1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Rhodes can only play in a partnership in a team that gets the ball in the box, otherwise he’s anonymous. We only have one striker in the squad who he can play off so he might as well sit at home until Fletcher is back.

 

 

This I agree with. 

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53 minutes ago, Steve Down South said:

 

Do you seriously believe that?

Yes. Rhodes is barely going through the motions at present and has been the same for a long time with the odd exception. 
 

Rhodes is playing in front of Bannan - a player at the top of his game, a player with supreme vision and a player that creates chances with beautifully threaded passes yet Rhodes cannot even take advantage of that benefit. 

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Hopefully that hat trick will tempt some one to come in for him 

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I agree Rhodes looks like a spent force, but would still like to see him given more opportunities to play alongside Fletcher.  I don’t think it’s fair to ridicule him by suggesting someone currently playing for the Fox & Duck could turn up with his boots on a Saturday afternoon and no one would notice the difference.

 

As for Bannan, lovely player at times, but a team that relies on him so heavily will never get promoted.

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The hat trick v Forest showed that we shouldn't give up on him but again was anonymous when he came on. Very frustrating.

Is his contract up at end of season? If so nowhere near enough to justify offering a new contract.

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19 minutes ago, hugeowl said:

Hopefully that hat trick will tempt some one to come in for him 

Praying for it 

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We don’t create chances full stop other than when we are allowed to deliver the ball into the penalty area from a set play. Wimbledon Mark 2 we are fast becoming (without the physical presence!)

We have little self belief and players are too scared it seems to run with the ball and take people on or even show for the ball. Our wide men in particular play too narrow and don’t seem to want the ball when we regain possession.

All too often it’s sideways and backwards. Stoke was a disaster. Any chance we got to break quickly we dilly dallied and let them regroup.

Contrast that with Stoke who benefited from our mistakes by moving the ball quickly. Their first goal resulting from this and likewise they should have had a second just before HT when Dawson saved frutiously with his legs as they broke.

From someone used to the free flowing football under Atkinson with attacking full backs and wingers - we just don’t gel as a team.

 

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3 minutes ago, GMOwl72 said:

We don’t create chances full stop other than when we are allowed to deliver the ball into the penalty area from a set play. Wimbledon Mark 2 we are fast becoming (without the physical presence!)

We have little self belief and players are too scared it seems to run with the ball and take people on or even show for the ball. Our wide men in particular play too narrow and don’t seem to want the ball when we regain possession.

All too often it’s sideways and backwards. Stoke was a disaster. Any chance we got to break quickly we dilly dallied and let them regroup.

Contrast that with Stoke who benefited from our mistakes by moving the ball quickly. Their first goal resulting from this and likewise they should have had a second just before HT when Dawson saved frutiously with his legs as they broke.

From someone used to the free flowing football under Atkinson with attacking full backs and wingers - we just don’t gel as a team.

 

And yet we have two of the best passers in the division (Bannan and Luongo) in our midfield They can both spot a pass, but other than Forestieri, we don’t have a forward clever enough to make the runs As a result, we look to either, hit it long for Fletcher to scrap for, or to try and get it out wide, to wingers who operate on their weaker foot. Being on their wrong foot, they generally turn back, and loft it in with their stronger foot. It’s too limiting, but we have the midfielders to play a different way, but they need more movement ahead of them

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16 minutes ago, GMOwl72 said:

We don’t create chances full stop other than when we are allowed to deliver the ball into the penalty area from a set play. Wimbledon Mark 2 we are fast becoming (without the physical presence!)

We have little self belief and players are too scared it seems to run with the ball and take people on or even show for the ball. Our wide men in particular play too narrow and don’t seem to want the ball when we regain possession.

All too often it’s sideways and backwards. Stoke was a disaster. Any chance we got to break quickly we dilly dallied and let them regroup.

Contrast that with Stoke who benefited from our mistakes by moving the ball quickly. Their first goal resulting from this and likewise they should have had a second just before HT when Dawson saved frutiously with his legs as they broke.

From someone used to the free flowing football under Atkinson with attacking full backs and wingers - we just don’t gel as a team.

 

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You dont sign players like Rhodes and ask them to change the way they play to fit in your team. If you buy Rhodes its cos you play a certain way and are likely to get the best out of someone like him. Exactly what we have never done. 

 

We are basically a long ball team, missing our target man through injury and asking a fox in the box type to instead run around and win flick ons. His time here hasnt been good for us or him but hes not to blame for today or the stoke game. Us not having any idea than lumping up top and no plan B is the real issue. 

 

 

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Just now, OwlinOldham said:

You dont sign players like Rhodes and ask them to change the way they play to fit in your team. If you buy Rhodes its cos you play a certain way and are likely to get the best out of someone like him. Exactly what we have never done. 

 

We are basically a long ball team, missing our target man through injury and asking a fox in the box type to instead run around and win flick ons. His time here hasnt been good for us or him but hes not to blame for today or the stoke game. Us not having any idea than lumping up top and no plan B is the real issue. 

 

 

Sorry mate but that’s just apologist bull5h1t. 

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3 hours ago, shandypants said:

He obviously didn’t have anything to do with Cardiff’s goals l but he contributed absolutely nothing when he came on. He had a 10/10 game when he got his hat-trick but what’s the point in playing someone that has one good game in 30?!!  

He’s over 6’ tall and built well but puts himself around like a schoolgirl. 
 

...and you can fvvck off if you say we don’t make chances for him because the ball went into the box enough for him to fashion at least half a chance. 

He's no worse than Nuihu or Winnall, all of them benefit by playing alongside a better player, Fletcher; shows how much we miss him. One of the main problems today was the wide players; Harris, Murphy and Reach were all a waste of space. Totally unfair to lay the blame at Rhodes door today. 

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10 minutes ago, shandypants said:

Sorry mate but that’s just apologist bull5h1t. 

How so? Do you think any other forward like Rhodes style would prosper in our team and set up? The fact is we bought one of the most prolific championship strikers there is and expected him to play to our strengths and not his. 

 

We dont have an identity or a style of play other than the recently discovered long ball we play. You think Winnal or Nando will score many in this team or style of play? Truth is that any striker whos not a target man or stupidly fast will struggle in our team right now. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, shandypants said:

He obviously didn’t have anything to do with Cardiff’s goals l but he contributed absolutely nothing when he came on. He had a 10/10 game when he got his hat-trick but what’s the point in playing someone that has one good game in 30?!!  

He’s over 6’ tall and built well but puts himself around like a schoolgirl. 
 

...and you can fvvck off if you say we don’t make chances for him because the ball went into the box enough for him to fashion at least half a chance. 

It’s taken 3 years for you to ask this question? FFS

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Why did we keep playing Fletcher this season, or Nuhiu last season? Fletcher went quite a few games before he started scoring in open play, but his confidence and the general imrovement in his play just grew and grew. As did Nuhiu's when he scored his 11 goals in half a season. Rhodes is no different in that respect, but he has never had a good run of starting games. If we started with a different striker every game we would be in real trouble and if we had a 20 goal a season striker we would surely be playing him wouldn't we? Well Rhodes is the nearest thing we have to a 20 goal a season striker and his conversion rate will only improve the more he plays.

 

How come Winall and Rhodes have scored less goals per game since they came to us? Maybe its because we have had so many strikers and so many managers trying to find the best  combination that neither of them have been given a proper run of 10 games or more to show what they are capable of.  

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Let the Rhodes bashing commence.

For what it's worth, if your not playing him along side Fletcher you may as well not bother.

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3 hours ago, Ante's Bubbly said:

Rhodes is no different in that respect, but he has never had a good run of starting games.

 

When he first arrived at the club, he played in all of the next 20 games, starting 16 of them. This show of faith to the man who "guarantees goals" TM brought a paltry return of 3 goals. Much the same kind of return from him ever since when he has been an afterthought or desperation measure. Meanwhile, every one of the other SEVEN forwards we've had during that time have all done better with the same kind of circumstances despite collectively being tagged with labels such as 'donkey', 'past it', 'lightweight', 'inconsistent', 'selfish', 'pub player', 'injury prone' etc.

 

I wonder how long we can keep up this insistence that a goal machine is just waiting to erupt after 65 (or thereabouts) almost exclusively hapless performances? Surely no player in our history has been offered so much patience, such imaginary fantasies and so many excuses.

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