Essix Blue Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, McRightSide said: I could actually see the result of the EFLs draconian P&S being a PL2... Yep. Which is why they must adapt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 TAKE THE PUNISHMENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: No one could possibly know. Who had heard of Chansiri prior to his buying the club. Business men would never make their intentions known & as the club is not for sale anyway, no one would be in the frame as imminent buyers. the point I’m making is the club is now completely unsustainable without c £15m a year to keep us where we are. and an owner who would probably want some money for the club - including the stadium he owns. do you think we’re the same proposition we were when DC bought in? no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anlaby Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, ka58 said: the point I’m making is the club is now completely unsustainable without c £15m a year to keep us where we are. and an owner who would probably want some money for the club - including the stadium he owns. do you think we’re the same proposition we were when DC bought in? no chance. Or... He might develop revenue streams from other (relevant) directions. Did the club pocket the profit from the strips (those sold home and abroad) or did it go straight into the owners pocket. Catering.. Same question Ground tours (now that its owned by mr Chansiri)... Same question. Corporate days/events... You get the gist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Anlaby Owl said: Or... He might develop revenue streams from other (relevant) directions. Did the club pocket the profit from the strips (those sold home and abroad) or did it go straight into the owners pocket. Catering.. Same question Ground tours (now that its owned by mr Chansiri)... Same question. Corporate days/events... You get the gist I don’t get the gist. what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirksandallowl Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Anlaby Owl said: Or... He might develop revenue streams from other (relevant) directions. Did the club pocket the profit from the strips (those sold home and abroad) or did it go straight into the owners pocket. Catering.. Same question Ground tours (now that its owned by mr Chansiri)... Same question. Corporate days/events... You get the gist 10 minutes ago, ka58 said: I don’t get the gist. what do you mean? I think (I could be wrong) he is trying to imply the owner is pocketing the money from the items list whilst at the same time putting £15m in each year. a) why would he do that, the amounts those things make are negligible compared to the £15m b) it would show up in the accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The pre cursor to most people’s arguments are that the efl are some incompetent outfit that don’t know what they’re on about. that may or may not be true. what is true is that save for our ground sale we are outside ffp. Mainly down to bad management and some bad luck. the only argument is if the ground sale is legit - pretending they efl are corrupt and we’re whiter than white is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The wigan owner says / said... It's crazy, championship football is not sustainable. Crazy money changing hands... And promptly sold em for £22m.... About 10 x their worth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Anlaby Owl said: What debt? I haven't seen anything from the club or the EFL saying we are in debt. We overspent on the EFLs rules but as far as i can tell though the club is running at a defecit, this has been covered entirely by its owner. Indeed from what has been made public mr chansiri is far from on the bones of his bum. DC does not have the money to burn £15-20million a year in losses. It’s the sort of scenario that got us to the brink last time. Poor financial management Although the FFP rules are probably not fit for purpose, the intention of the rules is to stop clubs running in an unsustainable manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, Anlaby Owl said: Or... He might develop revenue streams from other (relevant) directions. Did the club pocket the profit from the strips (those sold home and abroad) or did it go straight into the owners pocket. Catering.. Same question Ground tours (now that its owned by mr Chansiri)... Same question. Corporate days/events... You get the gist All of these things you mention probably account for under £1million a year. We are crap at gaining from other revenue streams; how many people go on the stadium tour? If it’s over 250 people per season, I’d be surprised. Hillsborough is in the wrong location to do much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anlaby Owl Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, Rogers said: All of these things you mention probably account for under £1million a year. We are crap at gaining from other revenue streams; how many people go on the stadium tour? If it’s over 250 people per season, I’d be surprised. Hillsborough is in the wrong location to do much 50000 shirts worldwide. Lets say they cost £2 each to make and another 50p shipping. The overall profit margin would not nearly cover the entire yearly investment but would reduce those costs significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Wouldn't surprise if there is a new Premier and clubs will be invited to join. Not that I'd be in favour of it but Sky etc would rather sell Wednesday V United than Bournemouth V Burnley Doubt very highly that eufa would sanction a league formed on those terms,which would harm the league above it,namely the prem as it has to have functional promtion and releagation to comply,so the prem would veto under those terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybeararmy Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 9 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/listed-owners-every-championship-club-13778193.amp Don’t know how accurate this is, but it says his net worth is £520m. He must have already funded losses of about £100m by the end of this season (£65m to July 2018 then whatever we lost last season and this), and also paid around £40m to buy us in the first place. So he’ll have been here 5 years and he’s in for £140m.. more than a quarter of his net worth. Would imagine his family will be unhappy with his situation.. but he’ll also know that we could always get in the play offs and go up and he’ll get it all back. But there must be a limit to how much he can put in.. I can’t see him wanting to write off the money so the pragmatic approach we’ve seen over the last year to 18 months is probably here to stay.. don’t think we’ll be risking another spending splurge even if we’re allowed The Forbes rich list, has his father and families combined wealth at $720m, dc is a minor shareholder and non board member of TUG. As for dc's personal wealth, who knows but it's £100m less than it was. Makes me laugh when people quote things like, dc's a billionaire, he runs/ owns John west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Your sick you will be eating all that. btw it's you're. Edited December 28, 2019 by dorian gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Anlaby Owl said: Self employed time zone. Get up when i have to and eat when i get ten minutes. Sometime during the week i might get time to scratch my backside. take time for yourself when you can, hard work kills horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 hours ago, rickygoo said: I was around in the 70s and I think Chansiri has run the club poorly. he has 'far' from run it well, and I think he'll know that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Rogers said: All of these things you mention probably account for under £1million a year. We are crap at gaining from other revenue streams; how many people go on the stadium tour? If it’s over 250 people per season, I’d be surprised. Hillsborough is in the wrong location to do much Not what some want to hear it the unpalatable truth is Hillsborough is not fit for purpose in the modern game especially the catering facilities. As for the EFL we've thrown them a bit of a curveball. They are used to clubs saying sorry sir won't happen again sir. Instead we've hit back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggowl Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 17 hours ago, briggowl said: 23 hours ago, striker said: FIGHT!!!! Sorry striker, dunno why that happened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: I Used to like cheese and tomato sandwiches or onion but they are too time consuming to make. Might give them another go. welsh rarebit with slivers of onion on, believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rogers said: All of these things you mention probably account for under £1million a year. We are crap at gaining from other revenue streams; how many people go on the stadium tour? If it’s over 250 people per season, I’d be surprised. Hillsborough is in the wrong location to do much How many football grounds are in the right location? To name just a few Anfield, Goodison Park, Old Trafford, Elland Rd, Villa Park are not on the middle of their cities and are not situated in what would be considered thriving areas. Edited December 28, 2019 by kobayashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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