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We must start Julian Borner on Sunday

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3 hours ago, Mrmason69 said:

Are you seriously suggesting we move iorfa to rb? He has to cover for the inept Lees and Borner. We can't afford to move iorfa. 

Iorfa is surely one of the best CB in the division now. Sadly he's got two duds in Lees and Borner that he's always covering for 

He is a RB playing at CH! Can’t recall Borner having a bad match since he arrived.

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Borner is the best footballer of the 3 of them. Also does alot of talking.... he's a good leader. Him and one of Lees/Iorfa for me, personally think he and Iorfa complement each other very well. 

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Agree absolutely with the OP. He's our best defender and should also be captain.

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For me, I'd play Iorfa in place of Palmer at right-back, bring in Borner to partner Lee's and move Palmer to left-back.

 

It's the strikers that worry me though, Rhodes offers so little - his Forest goals have completely masked that he just doesn't contribute anything of significance. Nuhiu is a real pain to play against but yesterday he was woeful too... Fletcher is leagues above them both and we DESPERATELY need a reasonably quick clever striker to cause any kind of threat.

 

And we need to stop just hoofing it. I'm not averse to going direct and think in Bannan and Fletcher and Harris, plus Nuhiu we have the ability to do it well - but we constantly do it and almost never try anything different. It usually starts from countless back passes to Dawson from either Lees, Fox or Palmer - who hoofs it up for us to lose it.  All 3 of those defenders are shockingly negative. Free kick in attacking position? Pass it back. Free kick in our own half? Pass it back. Drives me nuts - we'll never get anywhere with that attitude.

 

 

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58 minutes ago, davey_wells said:

For me, I'd play Iorfa in place of Palmer at right-back, bring in Borner to partner Lee's and move Palmer to left-back


What’s Fox done wrong?

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1 hour ago, Essix Blue said:


What’s Fox done wrong?

Nothing particularly, he's solid enough, but personally don't think he gives us enough going forward with deliveries and a general tendency to be slow with throw ins or general urgency. 

 

We don't have a left full back that I rate in the squad. I thought we had one with Penney, but something went really wrong before he left for Germany.

 

I'm equally not content with Palmer on the right... he seems lethargic and seems to give up too easily, yet wierdly seems to do well on the left plus seems to link up with Harris far better and is defensively sound there too.

 

Just personal choice. 

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1 minute ago, davey_wells said:

Nothing particularly, he's solid enough, but personally don't think he gives us enough going forward with deliveries and a general tendency to be slow with throw ins or general urgency. 

 

We don't have a left full back that I rate in the squad. I thought we had one with Penney, but something went really wrong before he left for Germany.

 

I'm equally not content with Palmer on the right... he seems lethargic and seems to give up too easily, yet wierdly seems to do well on the left plus seems to link up with Harris far better and is defensively sound there too.

 

Just personal choice. 


I see both our regular FBs as similar in ability. I think Palmer is better when he concentrates on defending and doesn’t have to go forward as much. However I think Fox offers a bit more with his deliveries yet is not as good defending. 
 

But as you say, it’s all about opinion. I do however have reservations about Iorfa playing RB, I wasn’t impressed by him there. Likewise I don’t agree with Palmer at LB IF Fox is available. 

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I'd simply replace Lees with Borner. 

 

Job done. 

 

 

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Borner in every time.

 

Iorfa and Lees need a centre back partner to coach then through games at times. Lees needed Loovens for this. Borner loves defending, he also gets us up the pitch and out of the box when we clear balls in the box.

 

In short, he’s a leader, we have few of those.

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I’d like to see us try all three centre backs in one game, with two wing backs, three in midfield and two up front. 

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Just now, 4evaowl said:

I’d like to see us try all three centre backs in one game, with two wing backs, three in midfield and two up front. 


That would be great, if we had 2 wing backs

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3 minutes ago, Essix Blue said:


That would be great, if we had 2 wing backs

 Reach and Odubajo I was thinking of.

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10 minutes ago, 4evaowl said:

 Reach and Odubajo I was thinking of.

Jeez, neither can tackle their way out of a paper bag We’d need to play 5 centre backs to cover their inadequacies 

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I’d play Borner and Lees with Iorfa RB. Borner is just outstanding at CB and I think Iorfa offers so much as an additional physical presence at the back but also the way he can drive forward with the ball 

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6 hours ago, davey_wells said:

Nothing particularly, he's solid enough, but personally don't think he gives us enough going forward with deliveries and a general tendency to be slow with throw ins or general urgency. 

 

We don't have a left full back that I rate in the squad. I thought we had one with Penney, but something went really wrong before he left for Germany.

 

I'm equally not content with Palmer on the right... he seems lethargic and seems to give up too easily, yet wierdly seems to do well on the left plus seems to link up with Harris far better and is defensively sound there too.

 

Just personal choice. 


Fox doesn’t do enough going forward so you want to replace him with Palmer.

 

Are you insane?

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Iorfa was poor against Derby and woeful against Stoke.

 

He’s going to get roughed up again against Cardiff and I’m not convinced he’s going to stand up to that.

 

Iorfa — Lees — Börner —Fox

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14 hours ago, Mrmason69 said:

Tom Lees has had it and Borner isn't good enough. Both players continually drift out of position leaving the excellent Iorfa to cover. Without a player of his calibre we wouldn't be where we are. 

When the window opens we desperately need a solid left sided CB. 

Borner not good enough? Behave yourself, the lad is quality. I'm amazed that Monk isn't starting him. We are desperately in need of a few players, CB is not one of them

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14 hours ago, Mrmason69 said:

Are you seriously suggesting we move iorfa to rb? He has to cover for the inept Lees and Borner. We can't afford to move iorfa. 

Iorfa is surely one of the best CB in the division now. Sadly he's got two duds in Lees and Borner that he's always covering for 

I replied to your first post before I saw this. Clearly a pig.

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Boner and Iorfa must be our Cb's the lack of leadership in that last 10 minuets was so obvious, get the line forward ffs

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