Andrew_Owl Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Leave Harris up, he's not going to win anything against a big attacker but can chase the ball when cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, East coast owl said: Yh I’ve noticed that. We did it at youth football.. do they get it coached out of them as professionals. if you leave 2 up they have to match you or leave 3 back. Less bodies in the box and a break away attack if we can find a pass or a hoof And the if the teams you play then send a couple of defenders into the box. What happens? Their chance to score is far greater than yours. That’s why managers don’t see value in looking at opposition corners as offensive opportunities. The chance of scoring from a counter from an opposites corner is extremely low - even lower than scoring from a corner. People hardly score when the keeper comes up... So you protect first and attack second. There’s oodles of behind the scenes analytics to show that more defenders in the box means less probability to score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Owl Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, McRightSide said: And the if the teams you play then send a couple of defenders into the box. What happens? Their chance to score is far greater than yours. That’s why managers don’t see value in looking at opposition corners as offensive opportunities. The chance of scoring from a counter from an opposites corner is extremely low - even lower than scoring from a corner. People hardly score when the keeper comes up... So you protect first and attack second. There’s oodles of behind the scenes analytics to show that more defenders in the box means less probability to score But it takes at least one of their players out of our box. Attack is the best form of defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East coast owl Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, McRightSide said: And the if the teams you play then send a couple of defenders into the box. What happens? Their chance to score is far greater than yours. That’s why managers don’t see value in looking at opposition corners as offensive opportunities. The chance of scoring from a counter from an opposites corner is extremely low - even lower than scoring from a corner. People hardly score when the keeper comes up... So you protect first and attack second. There’s oodles of behind the scenes analytics to show that more defenders in the box means less probability to score It’s fine margins. Sometimes you get a chance at 1 end and then 10 seconds later the ball ends up in the other net. I’d rather see someone on half way line just in case it does come out. Instead it comes straight back into our box unchallenged. Would the opposition risk leaving men unmarked on the half way line. They would have to leave someone back just in case. From a young age we always left 2 up top on set pieces. The opposition would match it or leave 3 back so not to leave a 2v2 on a break. Like I said fine margins. Seems daft cramming a penalty box at set pieces with no out ball. Im going to pay attention to other teams and see if it’s the norm or is it just a Wednesday thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, Andrew_Owl said: But it takes at least one of their players out of our box. Attack is the best form of defense. That’s exactly the point I was making. The data shows that the chance of them scoring by having an overload at a corner far outweighs our likelyhood to profit from a 1 v 1 on the halfway line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, East coast owl said: It’s fine margins. Sometimes you get a chance at 1 end and then 10 seconds later the ball ends up in the other net. I’d rather see someone on half way line just in case it does come out. Instead it comes straight back into our box unchallenged. Would the opposition risk leaving men unmarked on the half way line. They would have to leave someone back just in case. From a young age we always left 2 up top on set pieces. The opposition would match it or leave 3 back so not to leave a 2v2 on a break. Like I said fine margins. Seems daft cramming a penalty box at set pieces with no out ball. Im going to pay attention to other teams and see if it’s the norm or is it just a Wednesday thing How often does that happen though? Very rarely. The Intention of defending a corner for most teams most of the time is the complete that phase of defensive work, ideally with - but not defined by regaining possession. If you want an out ball the player needs to be 30 yards from goal which sucks the other players there too anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Leaving someone like Harris up gives us 10 bodies in the box to defend the corner. If they send their extra man up, they’ve got 8 (less Harris’ marker, keeper and corner taker). We should really be giving the team bottom of the league something to think about by leaving one of the fastest players in the league up top. He’s not beating Shawcross in the air, but I’d fancy him to beat any one of theirs over 20-30 yards. I’d understand getting everyone back if we’re defending a lead in the final minute of a genuinely crucial game but the way we defended all those set pieces we gifted them didn’t make sense to me today. It’s frustrating that we seemed to have grown more resilient after píssing so many points away last month but here we are discussing defending corners like a Sunday League side after píssing away another 3 points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Stuff like this, is indeed, basic common sense. One of the biggest shortcomings of a football manager is failing to spot what a layman in crowd can see. Let’s hope that Monk’s second half of this season brings an improvement. He’s been lacking in every department so far IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Think the players go into such a panic mode they don't even listen to Monk. The needless fouls, sliced clearances, blind passes. The amount of fouls we give away really is incredible. Borner is Van Dijk compared to Lees imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast of Boulogne Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Stick Iorfa up there , he’s quite quick and he’ll not be able to fizz up in our area , for a change . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East coast owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 10 hours ago, dewsburyowl58 said: We do leave a player up on occasions, we didn’t today by the sound of it but to say we have never done it isn’t correct No we didn’t. There was about 20 bodies in the penalty area and outside.. we had no one to pick up the headers away or clearances and it just got lumped back into the box again. We were asking for trouble against a tall stoke side. We should have Harris and Murphy or reach near the half way line. It ties up there defenders plus we have pace to press the half way line. Very strange yesterday we didn’t even play the percentage game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justbeanz Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, East coast owl said: No we didn’t. There was about 20 bodies in the penalty area and outside.. we had no one to pick up the headers away or clearances and it just got lumped back into the box again. We were asking for trouble against a tall stoke side. We should have Harris and Murphy or reach near the half way line. It ties up there defenders plus we have pace to press the half way line. Very strange yesterday we didn’t even play the percentage game. This ^^^^. It'll be the same on Sunday against Cardiff, at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, Justbeanz said: This ^^^^. It'll be the same on Sunday against Cardiff, at home. It just invites pressure onto us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East coast owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 10 hours ago, McRightSide said: How often does that happen though? Very rarely. The Intention of defending a corner for most teams most of the time is the complete that phase of defensive work, ideally with - but not defined by regaining possession. If you want an out ball the player needs to be 30 yards from goal which sucks the other players there too anyway. Yes you defend a corner and phases. first ball and 2 balls. But You can’t regain possession because you have 20+ players in or around the box. Usually playing head tennis. And the ball gets put back into our 18 yard box with 20+ players hovering for another phase. I went yesterday and it was frustrating. We cleared the danger and then gave them another go at putting in a better ball. Just watch the stokes 2nd and 3rd goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I'd double bluff their bluff. I'd leave 3 up near the half way line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacock1961 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Played for 30 years, never ever didn't have a speedy player on halfway. The opposition would always leave two back to mark, unless of course they were 3_0 down. Cc used to use Matias or FF up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbelly Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Everyone on the goal line doing star jumps whilst the keeper runs from post to post flailing his arms and screaming like a mad man. & Harris as the out ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 17 hours ago, S36 OWL said: One of basics of the game is to leave a man up near the half way line at all times to give you an out ball when defending set pieces and opposition attacks. The amount of times we cleared the ball today only for it to come straight back was annoying. Their second goal came because of exactly this. Leave either Harris or Murphy up there. Neither of them are going to win any headers defending, so have them as as outlet with their pace, which would have made Stoke keep two players back defending. I just cannot believe we didn't do one the basics today and we were punished for it. Correct. Bob on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 17 hours ago, S36 OWL said: One of basics of the game is to leave a man up near the half way line at all times to give you an out ball when defending set pieces and opposition attacks. The amount of times we cleared the ball today only for it to come straight back was annoying. Their second goal came because of exactly this. Leave either Harris or Murphy up there. Neither of them are going to win any headers defending, so have them as as outlet with their pace, which would have made Stoke keep two players back defending. I just cannot believe we didn't do one the basics today and we were punished for it. We have been doing this for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 22 hours ago, S36 OWL said: One of basics of the game is to leave a man up near the half way line at all times to give you an out ball when defending set pieces and opposition attacks. The amount of times we cleared the ball today only for it to come straight back was annoying. Their second goal came because of exactly this. Leave either Harris or Murphy up there. Neither of them are going to win any headers defending, so have them as as outlet with their pace, which would have made Stoke keep two players back defending. I just cannot believe we didn't do one the basics today and we were punished for it. have to agree, no argument here. add to that our lack of pace in the counterattack means bringing everyone back means we likely can't launch an attack in under 90 seconds. two men on our posts for corners too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now