BARMYARMY2010 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, billyblack said: Seriously, how can that not come into it. The point of when he sold it is called into question if the receiving company didnt exist. How can it not do? You're questioning whether the holding company existed or not,the EFL have filed a misconduct charge as to the "how and when" hillsborough was sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veredisquo Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mycroft said: Do you smell of pork? No. I just don’t want to see our club suffer because our owner is too naive, or too stubborn to admit when they’re wrong. I just fear that with that aggressive statement we are lining ourselves up for a hefty punishment that would derail any sense of progress we’ve made in the past few years. I love this club- I don’t have to justify that to anyone simply because I think our owner is setting us down a path that may cause more damage than any of us are anticipating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, BARMYARMY2010 said: You're questioning whether the holding company existed or not,the EFL have filed a misconduct charge as to the "how and when" hillsborough was sold. Yes. Arguing you sold it something that didnt exist is hard case to argue. Is it not? If thats the case obviously. I would say that fits into the how category, would you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veredisquo Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: You're questioning whether the holding company existed or not,the EFL have filed a misconduct charge as to the "how and when" hillsborough was sold. How do you sell something to a company that didn’t exist. When did you actually sell it if the company it was sold to didn’t exist until after it was sold. It’s not difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Veredisquo said: No. I just don’t want to see our club suffer because our owner is too naive, or too stubborn to admit when they’re wrong. I just fear that with that aggressive statement we are lining ourselves up for a hefty punishment that would derail any sense of progress we’ve made in the past few years. I love this club- I don’t have to justify that to anyone simply because I think our owner is setting us down a path that may cause more damage than any of us are anticipating. So if EFL have cocked up you still want us to lie down and take what's coming to us? If DC and his legal team are confident they can defend the allegations laid at the club then they have a duty to fight the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, billyblack said: Yes. Arguing you sold it something that didnt exist is hard case to argue. Is it not? If thats the case obviously. I would say that fits into the how category, would you agree? Think Chansiri / the Club are arguing that they have emails showing that the EFL approved them selling the ground in the way they did and was not outside the rules. Sounds like to me either the EFL or the Club have made a bit of a balls up. I have not got a clue which side has. But if lawyers are involved you can bet your life it will be dragged on as long as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Veredisquo said: How do you sell something to a company that didn’t exist. When did you actually sell it if the company it was sold to didn’t exist until after it was sold. It’s not difficult. I must not be seeing something you and billy are,i'll just refer to what the efl charge is and let you two get on with it The charges relate to "how and when" it was sold and its inclusion in the 2018 accounts when it was sold a year later." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veredisquo Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mycroft said: So if EFL have cocked up you still want us to lie down and take what's coming to us? If DC and his legal team are confident they can defend the allegations laid at the club then they have a duty to fight the case. I sincerely hope that the latter is the case, for sure. I just don’t share the optimism a lot of people on here seem to have given the current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, matthefish2002 said: Think Chansiri / the Club are arguing that they have emails showing that the EFL approved them selling the ground in the way they did and was not outside the rules. Sounds like to me either the EFL or the Club have made a bit of a balls up. I have not got a clue which side has. But if lawyers are involved you can bet your life it will be dragged on as long as possible. Couldnt agree more. The EFL approving the sale of the ground or us asking is a bit of a strange one for me. Its like me asking the neighbour if i can sell my car. What does he care. Questions around when the sale occurred and to whom is the arguing point from what i can see. These points should be solved in 5 mins. That cant be hard to prove either way. Everything else is just a smoke screen in my view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Veredisquo said: I sincerely hope that the latter is the case, for sure. I just don’t share the optimism a lot of people on here seem to have given the current situation. You don't do optimism,not if the last hour or so is anything to go by,guilty,guilty,guilty,no ifs/buts/maybe's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, billyblack said: Couldnt agree more. The EFL approving the sale of the ground or us asking is a bit of a strange one for me. Its like me asking the neighbour if i can sell my car. What does he care. Questions around when the sale occurred and to whom is the arguing point from what i can see. These points should be solved in 5 mins. That cant be hard to prove either way. Everything else is just a smoke screen in my view. Yes I thought that too. Cant be too difficult to check emails and see exactly what was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Yes I thought that too. Cant be too difficult to check emails and see exactly what was said. Quite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mycroft said: You sidestepped the question what you got to hide sonny? Do you use other usernames on OwlsTalk? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veredisquo Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: You don't do optimism,not if the last hour or so is anything to go by,guilty,guilty,guilty,no ifs/buts/maybe's. I literally said that I don’t share the optimism shown by others so I’m not entirely sure what point you’re making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, billyblack said: Couldnt agree more. The EFL approving the sale of the ground or us asking is a bit of a strange one for me. Its like me asking the neighbour if i can sell my car. What does he care. Questions around when the sale occurred and to whom is the arguing point from what i can see. These points should be solved in 5 mins. That cant be hard to prove either way. Everything else is just a smoke screen in my view. Can understand the club asking, it was all over the media when Villa and Derby did it and was reported as been against the rules, so maybe the club have asked for the EFL’s position For all we know, the EFL could have been made fully aware of all the details prior to them happening Really is just a game of who’s got there facts right, If the statement from the club was a Chansiri rant I’d be inclined to be more concerned than I am , the fact it’s quite well written and obviously had input from a legal team makes me wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I think in all the cases the EFL know that the stadiums are being sold to the owners of the clubs. So the fact it doesn't have a name it was sold to doesn't really matter as we know its Chansiri anyway. So that's why they are ignoring that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, billyblack said: Happens a lot im afraid. Dont even bother answering casbah anyway. The guys not worth bothering with. Isn’t it schizophrenia when the same person holds a conversation with themselves? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, matthefish2002 said: I have zero legal training but get feeling this will drag on for months and months and then probably get settled out of court. Like us reporting Newcastle to the premier League.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Can understand the club asking, it was all over the media when Villa and Derby did it and was reported as been against the rules, so maybe the club have asked for the EFL’s position For all we know, the EFL could have been made fully aware of all the details prior to them happening Really is just a game of who’s got there facts right, If the statement from the club was a Chansiri rant I’d be inclined to be more concerned than I am , the fact it’s quite well written and obviously had input from a legal team makes me wonder Clearing the sale of the ground to keep the EFL abreast of our plans, fine. Im thinking what wasnt included in that conversation, is when it was being sold and to whom. Again, theres a paper trail for this and could be closed off in 5 mins either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Isn’t it schizophrenia when the same person holds a conversation with themselves? No Casa, It's called "The Brexit Thread".... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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