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I feel more worried about the position today than I have before. 

 

It is a strongly worded statement but not a particularly convincing one. It drifts towards incoherence. And a ittle bit of googling is enough to show that the concept of a legitimate expectation is hard to import into this context. It is a public law term. This is not public law. 

 

Even if applicable (if) it seems clear that the EFL wouldn't be bound if supposed assurances had been provided by people not authorised; or if the information available to the EFL when providing guidance was only partial, or subsequently changed. 

 

TL:DR version: don't get your hopes up. 

 

It may be that the club is aiming this more at opinion within the EFL and the game more widely than strictly at the process. Which makes sense but whether DC can build effective alliances, well, who knows. 

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12 minutes ago, zico.b said:

Yet when the EFL decided to dish out the charge, we were expected to accept it and return to 'normal'?

 

No, sod 'em - The EFL have had this coming to them one way or another for years. It just happens to be our club who are making the stand and not rolling over.

 

Tie them up in legal bills DC and see who caves in first. Don't forget the EFL don't have an open cheque book.............

 

Edit - One other thing that will have brought DC's war cry is that he has been personally charged. As a Thai, to have his honour questioned will have been like a red rag to a bull.

Last bit is the big mistake made by EFL in my opinion, if it had been just against club there would probably have been some mediation a slap on wrist 6-9 point penalty etc, but the personal charge will not be taken lying down

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34 minutes ago, thewookieisdown said:

I feel more worried about the position today than I have before. 

 

It is a strongly worded statement but not a particularly convincing one. It drifts towards incoherence. And a ittle bit of googling is enough to show that the concept of a legitimate expectation is hard to import into this context. It is a public law term. This is not public law. 

 

Even if applicable (if) it seems clear that the EFL wouldn't be bound if supposed assurances had been provided by people not authorised; or if the information available to the EFL when providing guidance was only partial, or subsequently changed. 

 

TL:DR version: don't get your hopes up. 

 

It may be that the club is aiming this more at opinion within the EFL and the game more widely than strictly at the process. Which makes sense but whether DC can build effective alliances, well, who knows. 

Sorry mate don't believe you are correct

 

Sports governing bodies are covered by public law! (In that they should follow same principle)

 

If you want proof look into the Jose Mourinho case with the FA when at man utd.  

 

there are other cases aswell, the reasoning is that sports governing bodies are in effect monopolies so if they abuse their power or do not act accordingly then they should adopt public law principles

https://www.sportresolutions.co.uk/news/view/a-legitimate-expectation-defence-to-sports-regulatory-action

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, zico.b said:

Yet when the EFL decided to dish out the charge, we were expected to accept it and return to 'normal'?

 

No, sod 'em - The EFL have had this coming to them one way or another for years. It just happens to be our club who are making the stand and not rolling over.

 

Tie them up in legal bills DC and see who caves in first. Don't forget the EFL don't have an open cheque book.............

 

Edit - One other thing that will have brought DC's war cry is that he has been personally charged. As a Thai, to have his honour questioned will have been like a red rag to a bull.

 
Who’s got more money to spend on legal bills DC or the EFL? 

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He’s a nucking futter, with outsize ninja cojones. WTF::Chansiri: UTO.

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It was only a matter of time before clubs start challenging the joke that is the EFL.

 

One thing is for sure, if this wasn’t going to be resolved quickly, it will be drawn out to death now! 

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I hate that this is happening to us.

I love that the chairman isnt, it seems, going to bend over for the EFL.

He's made loads of mistakes in his time here, very well documented on this very forum but we should all stand behind him while he fights this corrupt body.

He wants what's best for us, undoubtedly.

EFL wants to justify their existence and shaft us as a warning to others. Toe the line even though the line is bent.

I'm behind him all the way.

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I would rather the club just admitted to trying to circumvent FFP laws or whatever and take the limited punishment we would have received. I fear the EFL is going to quite rightly throw the book at us and I’m genuinely fearing the worst. 
I can’t understand the mentality of people being proud of a chairman who’s dishonest approach to running a football club may very well see us relegated to league one with a hefty transfer ban on top of it. Some of you make me embarrassed to be an owls fan as it seems like you’re so far up the chairman’s arse you’re forgetting that the club ALWAYS comes first. 

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1 minute ago, Veredisquo said:

I would rather the club just admitted to trying to circumvent FFP laws or whatever and take the limited punishment we would have received. I fear the EFL is going to quite rightly throw the book at us and I’m genuinely fearing the worst. 
I can’t understand the mentality of people being proud of a chairman who’s dishonest approach to running a football club may very well see us relegated to league one with a hefty transfer ban on top of it. Some of you make me embarrassed to be an owls fan as it seems like you’re so far up the chairman’s arse you’re forgetting that the club ALWAYS comes first. 

And some just want to bash him. Like you it seems. Most clubs who've gone up to prem could be accused of dishonest tactics because that's the only way you can get a leg up with this unfair system. You state that, 'quite rightly we should have the book thrown at us'.

I'm equally amazed at your mentality. If you're a Wednesday fan.

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DC spotted taking on the EFL. lol

 

 

THIS IS

SHEFFIELD

WEDNESDAY!!!

 

Sparta Kick GIF - Sparta Kick Shout GIFs

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, TommyCraig said:

And some just want to bash him. Like you it seems. Most clubs who've gone up to prem could be accused of dishonest tactics because that's the only way you can get a leg up with this unfair system. You state that, 'quite rightly we should have the book thrown at us'.

I'm equally amazed at your mentality. If you're a Wednesday fan.

I’m a Wednesday fan- not a Chansiri fan. He’s got us in this position- not the EFL; and if the worst does happen and we get relegated WE will be the ones who suffer. 
I’m behind the team 100%- but this current ownership has been impossibly naive, and the aggressive statement put out by the club is further testament to that. I hope I’m wrong, but looking at it as it stands we, as fans, can look forward to another spell in league one whilst Chansiri fizzes off back to Thailand. He doesn’t care about us why should he have my backing?

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Great that DC is coming out fighting. How many times over the years have clubs just bowed down to EFL hearings and taken fines punishments when they don't agree with them  all because unless you do the penalties are far more severe.

Does seem as if the EFL make it up as they go along. Problem for the EFL is they are being left behind and are trying to find a reason to be relevant in the post PL era.

Think they were expecting DC to roll over and take a good hiding on this, as others have said looks like being a defining moment for the EFL. If they don't win then the whole p and s falls down.

Would think they are regretting opening this can of worms.

So let's back DC at least he is standing up for the club so well done.

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41 minutes ago, Veredisquo said:

I would rather the club just admitted to trying to circumvent FFP laws or whatever and take the limited punishment we would have received. I fear the EFL is going to quite rightly throw the book at us and I’m genuinely fearing the worst. 
I can’t understand the mentality of people being proud of a chairman who’s dishonest approach to running a football club may very well see us relegated to league one with a hefty transfer ban on top of it. Some of you make me embarrassed to be an owls fan as it seems like you’re so far up the chairman’s arse you’re forgetting that the club ALWAYS comes first. 

you spineless,gutless coward.

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46 minutes ago, Veredisquo said:

I would rather the club just admitted to trying to circumvent FFP laws or whatever and take the limited punishment we would have received. I fear the EFL is going to quite rightly throw the book at us and I’m genuinely fearing the worst. 
I can’t understand the mentality of people being proud of a chairman who’s dishonest approach to running a football club may very well see us relegated to league one with a hefty transfer ban on top of it. Some of you make me embarrassed to be an owls fan as it seems like you’re so far up the chairman’s arse you’re forgetting that the club ALWAYS comes first. 

So we’re not guilty !!! But we take a fine, a point deduction say thank and roll over !! Your embarrassment at supporting our club is the EMBARRASSMENT here matey 

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49 minutes ago, Veredisquo said:

I would rather the club just admitted to trying to circumvent FFP laws or whatever and take the limited punishment we would have received. I fear the EFL is going to quite rightly throw the book at us and I’m genuinely fearing the worst. 
I can’t understand the mentality of people being proud of a chairman who’s dishonest approach to running a football club may very well see us relegated to league one with a hefty transfer ban on top of it. Some of you make me embarrassed to be an owls fan as it seems like you’re so far up the chairman’s arse you’re forgetting that the club ALWAYS comes first. 

How can they throw the book at us if we have played within the rules and have the proof to back it up?

You think DC should just roll over and have his belly tickled?

Can you prove he has been dishonest?

 

The whole FFP stinks and it encorages bad practice. Not dishonest practice but bad practice.

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I'm of the opinion that we are gunna get hammered by the EFL. 20 plus points I'm thinking as a minimum. I'm glad DC has come out fighting and I hope he has the proof that the statement says. We are being lined up to be the example at the moment, anyone who says we should just bend over and take it can do one. We've bent the rules and used loopholes as far as anyone knows. It seems the EFL said we could do one thing, then changed their minds because Gibson got mardy. 

 

Fighting this with everything we have is the way I want to go. 

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Well we had better be sure of our facts after a statement like that.  Two such polar opposite views (Sheffield Wednesday -v- EFL) suggest someone isn’t being entirely straight on this one.

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9 minutes ago, sweetsheri said:

How can they throw the book at us if we have played within the rules and have the proof to back it up?

You think DC should just roll over and have his belly tickled?

Can you prove he has been dishonest?

 

The whole FFP stinks and it encorages bad practice. Not dishonest practice but bad practice.

That's a good and very relevant point. 

 

FFP is outdated and not fit for purpose, it forces clubs to waste time, resources and money to comply with arbitrary limits, which don't take into account rising inequality due to premier league failure payments and resultant player fee/wage inflation. All presided over by the incompetent EFL.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, striker said:

That's a good and very relevant point. 

 

FFP is outdated and not fit for purpose, it forces clubs to waste time, resources and money to comply with arbitrary limits, which don't take into account rising inequality due to premier league failure payments and resultant player fee/wage inflation. All presided over by the incompetent EFL.

 

 

Also the losses amount should be reviewed, in past three years the average wages and transfer fees have exploded in 2018 we weren't in the top 8 of wages costs in championship.  Only way it can work is to have a pounds and pence total wage cap in the league that applies accross the board.

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