Mr Farrell Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, matthefish2002 said: I think the FA would have left it to the courts normally but when its a sensitive subject as racism they have to be seen to be taking a stand. Especially in the current climate. Football clearly has issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, matthefish2002 said: I think the FA would have left it to the courts normally but when its a sensitive subject as racism they have to be seen to be taking a stand. No they dont they can simple say a court has found them not guilty and we will take our lead from them. Not rocket science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 hours ago, rickygoo said: Depends how deep his pockets are. FFP isn't just an EFL thing- all the major footballing bodies have their own version of it. It's up to the clubs - which are the entities that make up the EFL - to comply with the rules or face the consequences if they don't. Should be a level playing field across all leagues including PL. Otherwise biased to PL clubs or is it supposed to be that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: No they dont they can simple say a court has found them not guilty and we will take our lead from them. Not rocket science Exactly, I tend to think that if the courts say not guilty that's the end of it. If not why have a court system if we decide justice based on thinking sooner guilty rather than evidence based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Harrysgame said: Exactly, I tend to think that if the courts say not guilty that's the end of it. If not why have a court system if we decide justice based on thinking sooner guilty rather than evidence based. Who says it's not evidence based? It's just a differing level of proof based on the evidence. The differing levels of proof required in civil and criminal cases is long established. It wasn't invented to catch FF out. It's just a difference between probably guilty and guilty without reasonable doubt.Civil courts use a lower standard of proof that criminal ones. Are you saying the entire foundation of British justice should be amended so FF gets off a 6 match ban? I sense a touch of Contrary Maryism. Edited December 6, 2019 by rickygoo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Who says it's not evidence based? It's just a differing level of proof based on the evidence. The differing levels of proof required in civil and criminal cases is long established. It wasn't invented to catch FF out. It's just a difference between probably guilty and guilty without reasonable doubt.Civil courts use a lower standard of proof that criminal ones. Are you saying the entire foundation of British justice should be amended so FF gets off a 6 match ban? I sense a touch of Contrary Maryism. No it's just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: No it's just common sense. It really isn't. The civil justice system would have to be totally overhauled - something no-one except supporters of FF seem to be calling for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, rickygoo said: It really isn't. The civil justice system would have to be totally overhauled - something no-one except supporters of FF seem to be calling for. So he gets found not guilty of a crime, then found guilty by a bunch of laymen using their own rules so now marked as a racist on their say so. Doesn't seem like justice to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: It really isn't. The civil justice system would have to be totally overhauled - something no-one except supporters of FF seem to be calling for. FF wasn't convicted with the civil justice system. He was convicted with the EFL make it up as you go along system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hookowl said: FF wasn't convicted with the civil justice system. He was convicted with the EFL make it up as you go along system. FA, FA, FA, FA God dammit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: So he gets found not guilty of a crime, then found guilty by a bunch of laymen using their own rules so now marked as a racist on their say so. Doesn't seem like justice to me. A judge would disagree. I'll take his his or her opinion ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Hookowl said: FF wasn't convicted with the civil justice system. He was convicted with the EFL make it up as you go along system. But in principle the imposition of a penalty by the EFL is subject to review within the civil justice system. If there were a case that there was breach of natural justice, or manifest unreasonableness, for example, it might have been possible to challenge this. It's hard to see this is the case, and indeed there was no appeal. Again, the point isn't so much whether the EFL was right or wrong. It's bafflement that people seem to think that a decision of this kind is going to mirror a decision in criminal law. There really is nothing unusual or remarkable about what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hookowl said: FF wasn't convicted with the civil justice system. He was convicted with the EFL make it up as you go along system. Thanks M'Lud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, thewookieisdown said: But in principle the imposition of a penalty by the EFL is subject to review within the civil justice system. If there were a case that there was breach of natural justice, or manifest unreasonableness, for example, it might have been possible to challenge this. It's hard to see this is the case, and indeed there was no appeal. Again, the point isn't so much whether the EFL was right or wrong. It's bafflement that people seem to think that a decision of this kind is going to mirror a decision in criminal law. There really is nothing unusual or remarkable about what happened or the FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 12 hours ago, sweetsheri said: PNE? Off the top of my head Really? Not quite: https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/financial-expert-gives-his-verdict-on-preston-north-end-s-figures-and-the-barking-mad-championship-1-9628349 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 If, and it’s a big if, he is correct that the EFL have effed up, then great, go at them, fight our corner. If he wins then kudos to him and I may verge on respect / pride in him. As it is I fear the worst and that, unless our appeal is watertight, we are digging our own grave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I also think, if he’s going to go at them, he’s maybe better off attacking them for anti competitive practices and bowing to parachute payments from PL rather than our own issues. We might gain traction with that from other clubs, it’d maybe even lead to an eventual push towards a PL2. I don’t necessarily want one, but I want what’s best for Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 51 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: Really? Not quite: https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/financial-expert-gives-his-verdict-on-preston-north-end-s-figures-and-the-barking-mad-championship-1-9628349 Losing 7m is a good result compared to us and probably all the others.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls-swfc Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Ever the pessimist said: If, and it’s a big if, he is correct that the EFL have effed up, then great, go at them, fight our corner. If he wins then kudos to him and I may verge on respect / pride in him. As it is I fear the worst and that, unless our appeal is watertight, we are digging our own grave. Pack it up, pack it in, let me begin Chansiri came to win, battle EFL, is that just a sin He won't ever slack up, EFL you'd better back up..... Jump up and get down big Tuna's back in town.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Naivety. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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