ReadingOwl Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kameron said: If Corbyn gets in he could be fcuked anyway. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-ban-bad-football-club-owners-like-mike-ashley-2lwsxlfvs Look, football is rotten to the core. How are the authorities going to fix it? But trying to be fair, I don’t see why Chansiri should suddenly be made an example. I don’t even think his misdemeanour is that great, on the scale of things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ferkorf Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Oh lord we are doomed! We are seriously going under completely. Could this season be any worse? Dotty get the Lumping scrolls and leave no evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefieldinleed1 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Leeds fan in peace looking as an outsider. it looks pretty obvious what’s happened 1 you failed P&L and got an embargo 2 the owner was trying all sorts of creative accounting with all these silly schemes, ie plaques etc etc didnt work 3 you again went way ten limit of £39m 4 you were going to get another embargo and maybe points 5 the chairmen the see derby and villa selling the ground. 6 tries back dating it, basically cheating with the sale date. 7 FL have seen through this and be very surprised if you didn’t get points. youve over spent and then tried to get away with it. The Auditors have behaved badly, not illegally but I’d question there take on the accounts ( certainly the timing) it’s not accounting rules you are getting done for, but the football league rules. youve broken them and will be penalties. shame because the owner isn’t a bad guy. Just can’t run a business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, wakefieldinleed1 said: Leeds fan in peace looking as an outsider. it looks pretty obvious what’s happened 1 you failed P&L and got an embargo 2 the owner was trying all sorts of creative accounting with all these silly schemes, ie plaques etc etc didnt work 3 you again went way ten limit of £39m 4 you were going to get another embargo and maybe points 5 the chairmen the see derby and villa selling the ground. 6 tries back dating it, basically cheating with the sale date. 7 FL have seen through this and be very surprised if you didn’t get points. youve over spent and then tried to get away with it. The Auditors have behaved badly, not illegally but I’d question there take on the accounts ( certainly the timing) it’s not accounting rules you are getting done for, but the football league rules. youve broken them and will be penalties. shame because the owner isn’t a bad guy. Just can’t run a business This is all we need a know all Leeds fan. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ReadingOwl said: I’m no lover of Chansiri, but the article smacks of sensationalism. Some creative accounting, gone wrong. A ban? Restrict the bloke from plying his trade? Effectively, deny him from keeping his investment and goods. And, if banned, who will compensate him and take over the running of the Club? The EFL? Will they deal with the Administration - and leave them selves open to litigation, from the Chairman, for his losses? Personally, I can’t see any way he will be banned, it has too many legal implications. Notwithstanding that the original transaction must have been vetted and signed by people with professional “chartered” qualifications. I think it’s bull, personally. It would presumably be a temporary ban and it’s not without precedent. Cellino was banned from temporarily running Leeds. Karl Oyston was banned from football activities for 6 weeks for misconduct - he sent abusive text messages to a fan. If Chansiri was banned it would mean he’d have to appoint someone else to run the club until his suspension ended. Edited December 3, 2019 by rickygoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 All sounds a little small man syndrome to me I’m not for one minute suggesting the EFL have some kind of vendetta against us but it does seem to appear that they fully enjoy being cagey , unclear, and making there own laws up if this was fraudulent the HMRC would be all over us and yet nothing a throw back the forestieri saga again found not guilty in a court of law only for the football league and FA to go find him guilty And put there own punishments in place above the law and governing professionals I’d like to see the FA and football league get investigated in business you submit your accounts quarterly to the vat office and annually to companies house or what ever ( I pay my accountant to do this ) this is how we are vetted and governed our police enforce protection any Wrong doing reported by any of the above organisations are taking to a court of law where a trial or prosecution takes place If this is all above board how on earth is the football league and FA in a better position to over rule these authorities deeming forestieri racist and misconduct of fraud in our accounts this from an organisation that with all the current technology available has poor refereeing decisions in policing its very match day sport and is constantly getting called on agent, managers, and players bungs it makes no sense at all, if found guilty And I was chansiri I’d be taking these on in the high court that unless this is all coming from the HMRC and company house and the football league and FA are acting in a way to protect one its registered members and trying to ensure the punishments are minimum ( which won’t be the case ) complete power mad set of p ricks made up from people of wealth not experience should be stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, wakefieldinleed1 said: Leeds fan in peace looking as an outsider. it looks pretty obvious what’s happened 1 you failed P&L and got an embargo 2 the owner was trying all sorts of creative accounting with all these silly schemes, ie plaques etc etc didnt work 3 you again went way ten limit of £39m 4 you were going to get another embargo and maybe points 5 the chairmen the see derby and villa selling the ground. 6 tries back dating it, basically cheating with the sale date. 7 FL have seen through this and be very surprised if you didn’t get points. youve over spent and then tried to get away with it. The Auditors have behaved badly, not illegally but I’d question there take on the accounts ( certainly the timing) it’s not accounting rules you are getting done for, but the football league rules. youve broken them and will be penalties. shame because the owner isn’t a bad guy. Just can’t run a business Takes a bloody Leeds fan to spot what some of our own fans can't. Hopefully it will be the end of his amateurish running of our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: It would presumably be a temporary ban and it’s not without precedent. Cellino was banned from temporarily running Leeds. Karl Oyston was banned from football activities for 6 weeks for misconduct - he sent abusive text messages to a fan. If Chansiri was banned it would mean he’d have to appoint someone else to run the club until his suspension ended. Cellino’s ban was never effective whilst he owned the Club. It was originally for 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, stocksyuto said: He wouldn't be allowed to bank role the club hes not allowed to do anything regarding the club for a set time . Didnt cellino bring Leeds chairman in on a temp basis for that reason and he ended up with full ownership eventually I thought anyway My point is the Chansari family could still own the club and DC essentially walks away, but not too far away. The family could install new Directors who would simply be 'employees' of the new company/owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ferkorf Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, wakefieldinleed1 said: Leeds fan in peace looking as an outsider. it looks pretty obvious what’s happened 1 you failed P&L and got an embargo 2 the owner was trying all sorts of creative accounting with all these silly schemes, ie plaques etc etc didnt work 3 you again went way ten limit of £39m 4 you were going to get another embargo and maybe points 5 the chairmen the see derby and villa selling the ground. 6 tries back dating it, basically cheating with the sale date. 7 FL have seen through this and be very surprised if you didn’t get points. youve over spent and then tried to get away with it. The Auditors have behaved badly, not illegally but I’d question there take on the accounts ( certainly the timing) it’s not accounting rules you are getting done for, but the football league rules. youve broken them and will be penalties. shame because the owner isn’t a bad guy. Just can’t run a business Yeh but what about the evidence that pointed towards Dotty and his lumping? He was a sky sports mole sure of it, stitched us right up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mort AMB Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Kameron said: Former owners of Leeds and Watford have served 18 month and 3 years bans for financial irregularities. But the current owner of Watford wasn't banned for his financial irregularities or the owner of QPR . https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/24/watford-fined-4m-forging-banking-letter-ingino-pozzos-takeover/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mycroft said: This is all we need a know all Leeds fan. Sadly he isn't wrong. We are an absolute joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn59 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, fpowl said: All sounds a little small man syndrome to me I’m not for one minute suggesting the EFL have some kind of vendetta against us but it does seem to appear that they fully enjoy being cagey , unclear, and making there own laws up if this was fraudulent the HMRC would be all over us and yet nothing a throw back the forestieri saga again found not guilty in a court of law only for the football league and FA to go find him guilty And put there own punishments in place above the law and governing professionals I’d like to see the FA and football league get investigated in business you submit your accounts quarterly to the vat office and annually to companies house or what ever ( I pay my accountant to do this ) this is how we are vetted and governed our police enforce protection any Wrong doing reported by any of the above organisations are taking to a court of law where a trial or prosecution takes place If this is all above board how on earth is the football league and FA in a better position to over rule these authorities deeming forestieri racist and misconduct of fraud in our accounts this from an organisation that with all the current technology available has poor refereeing decisions in policing its very match day sport and is constantly getting called on agent, managers, and players bungs it makes no sense at all, if found guilty And I was chansiri I’d be taking these on in the high court that unless this is all coming from the HMRC and company house and the football league and FA are acting in a way to protect one its registered members and trying to ensure the punishments are minimum ( which won’t be the case ) complete power mad set of p ricks made up from people of wealth not experience should be stopped think part of the problem is we are members of the EFL. Bit like suing any club you are a member of and then wondering why they won't let you in. Bit of a catch 22 situation. Agreed like the FF case, UK courts have UK law but any club, society etc has it's own rules and once you join you are governed by their rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Blue and white said: Sadly he isn't wrong. We are an absolute joke. Then we get a snowflake can it get any worse? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: So glad I support Man City who aren’t dodgy at all. Yeah but their form has dipped since you started following them. Beginning to think that pretty much everything is your fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Animis said: My point is the Chansari family could still own the club and DC essentially walks away, but not too far away. The family could install new Directors who would simply be 'employees' of the new company/owner. So the ban would be ineffective? Creative accountancy (directorship). What’s the point in that case? (Not disagreeing BTW). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefieldinleed1 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Blue and white i can see it, because we had bad owners for years, I’ve seen it. It kills a club, it’s taken 15 years for the fans to come back after huge ticket rises. i really feel for you lot because the owner should have been a great owner. he’s got money and cares but he’s clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Mycroft said: Then we get a snowflake can it get any worse? No snowflake here fella, just completely honest, realistic and fecking sick of the joke we have become. Some follow out of blind loyalty others have more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kameron Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Uncle Mort AMB said: But the current owner of Watford wasn't banned for his financial irregularities or the owner of QPR . https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/24/watford-fined-4m-forging-banking-letter-ingino-pozzos-takeover/ Watford were dealt with by the premier league not EFL, QPR got away with a 42 million pound fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefieldinleed1 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 And regarding the chairman been banned does he do anything day to day really ??? shouldnt make any difference to you at all. be very surprised if he is banned ( means he’s done something really dodgy, not just try to cheat a sale date) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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