Dick_Turpin Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, N0rtherner said: Well, I'd rather they ban him from football than penalise the club over his alleged financial trickery. Or they need to re-open the cases of Derby, Reading, etc. and the others who used this loop hole. Or they now state explicitly that what's done is done, anyone else using this loop hole in the future will be penalised. Going back on a "shady" practice and deciding some should be penalised but not all, that sounds just too shady too. Why is it ok Derby's stadium was worth 80 million? The loophole is a loophole therefore using it is fine. That's what loopholes are. It's how you use it that's the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, N0rtherner said: Well, I'd rather they ban him from football than penalise the club over his alleged financial trickery. Or they need to re-open the cases of Derby, Reading, etc. and the others who used this loop hole. Or they now state explicitly that what's done is done, anyone else using this loop hole in the future will be penalised. Going back on a "shady" practice and deciding some should be penalised but not all, that sounds just too shady too. Why is it ok Derby's stadium was worth 80 million? They have already re-opened the cases against Derby and Reading. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/16/efl-step-investigation-derby-sheffield-wednesday-reading-stadium/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Minton said: I see you've missed the whole point of Chansiri sponsoring things. Shirt sponsor offers us £1m (for example), Chansiri sponsors it himself for £1.5m. It is a step around the limit on the amount an owner is allowed to put into the club each year. If anything, we have benefitted from the arrangement. No Chansiri put in £1.26m in sponsorship in the last filed accounts. Compare that with other teams in our division he is million shy of where we should be, Derby, Cardiff, West Brom etc other team were agreeing £1m deals for shirt sponsorship alone 3 or 4 years ago. DC pays in a little over £1m for the shirts, stadium, inside the ground, the seats, the hoarding etc Based on what DC tries to charge to external companies to get the same sponsorship coverage he should be putting in £3-5m a season or what would be put in by external sponsors. You are focusing on the shirt deals which we could get at least £1m a season for, I am focusing on the whole club as well shirts are but a part of it, the stadium naming rights, stand naming rights, hoarding sponsorship both inside and outside of the ground, the advertisements on the big screen both before and during the game. the below is an old link for last season but looking at just the LED screen link £12,000 for a 2 minute a game on match days only accounting for the match and half time that is £600,000 a season and this will be used from before and after kick off. https://www.swfc.co.uk/commercial/sponsorship-and-advertising/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Anyone hearing/seeing the 21 point deduction rumours? Hope its nonsense!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) It will go to court ..They will question Katrien.... "What did you do immediately after you signed off the accounts ?" "ran away yer honour" I can't see a problem.................. Edited December 3, 2019 by asteener1867 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Minton said: They have already re-opened the cases against Derby and Reading. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/16/efl-step-investigation-derby-sheffield-wednesday-reading-stadium/ We're being used like one o them "forlorn Hope" regiments in the Penninsula war etc...sent to f.ookin' oblivion... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn59 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Minton said: They have already re-opened the cases against Derby and Reading. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/16/efl-step-investigation-derby-sheffield-wednesday-reading-stadium/ That little scumbag Gibson the spark after he spaffed away his parachute money. But having said that it looks like we know who the new club accountant is 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, torres said: Anyone hearing/seeing the 21 point deduction rumours? Hope its nonsense!! You mean the one above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, room0035 said: No Chansiri put in £1.26m in sponsorship in the last filed accounts. Compare that with other teams in our division he is million shy of where we should be, Derby, Cardiff, West Brom etc other team were agreeing £1m deals for shirt sponsorship alone 3 or 4 years ago. DC pays in a little over £1m for the shirts, stadium, inside the ground, the seats, the hoarding etc Based on what DC tries to charge to external companies to get the same sponsorship coverage he should be putting in £3-5m a season or what would be put in by external sponsors. You are focusing on the shirt deals which we could get at least £1m a season for, I am focusing on the whole club as well shirts are but a part of it, the stadium naming rights, stand naming rights, hoarding sponsorship both inside and outside of the ground, the advertisements on the big screen both before and during the game. the below is an old link for last season but looking at just the LED screen link £12,000 for a 2 minute a game on match days only accounting for the match and half time that is £600,000 a season and this will be used from before and after kick off. https://www.swfc.co.uk/commercial/sponsorship-and-advertising/ That's Chansiri, not D-Taxis and Elev8. He sponsors our shirts, so is putting in the market rate for shirts, according to your figures. We get that you don't like Chansiri, but my advice is try not to be hoisted by your own petard next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0rtherner Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, torres said: Anyone hearing/seeing the 21 point deduction rumours? Hope its nonsense!! That's just statement of the max points deduction possible. Or receiving a harsh warning. Or being expelled from the league. Etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, room0035 said: No Chansiri put in £1.26m in sponsorship in the last filed accounts. Compare that with other teams in our division he is million shy of where we should be, Derby, Cardiff, West Brom etc other team were agreeing £1m deals for shirt sponsorship alone 3 or 4 years ago. DC pays in a little over £1m for the shirts, stadium, inside the ground, the seats, the hoarding etc Based on what DC tries to charge to external companies to get the same sponsorship coverage he should be putting in £3-5m a season or what would be put in by external sponsors. You are focusing on the shirt deals which we could get at least £1m a season for, I am focusing on the whole club as well shirts are but a part of it, the stadium naming rights, stand naming rights, hoarding sponsorship both inside and outside of the ground, the advertisements on the big screen both before and during the game. the below is an old link for last season but looking at just the LED screen link £12,000 for a 2 minute a game on match days only accounting for the match and half time that is £600,000 a season and this will be used from before and after kick off. https://www.swfc.co.uk/commercial/sponsorship-and-advertising/ All of the shirt deals you consistently quote are Premier deals. It’s been proved before. Please stop lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, N0rtherner said: That's just statement of the max points deduction possible. Or receiving a harsh warning. Or being expelled from the league. Etc. That sounds fair to me...You mean like "Oy!...Sheffield Wednesday ..Stop it off!!" I think that fair...I mean I'll be pretty devastated...but I'll get over it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: You mean the one above Just had 5 different people from various walks of life ring me and say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Minton said: They have already re-opened the cases against Derby and Reading. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/16/efl-step-investigation-derby-sheffield-wednesday-reading-stadium/ Investigations, not cases. Derby and Reading currently have nothing to answer and only a two month old article as ‘evidence’ that they ever might. The fact is that we were one of the three clubs stated as being investigated but the only club that has been charged. That’s all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I would love this situation to be sorted ASAP but I think this won't be drawn to a conclusion till at least March. ENJOY THE RIDE ALL!!!!!! All I would say is - 'Innocent till proven guilty' There is no point using hindsight knewing Chansiri was this and that because, let's face it, you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, N0rtherner said: That's just statement of the max points deduction possible. Or receiving a harsh warning. Or being expelled from the league. Etc. I think that might be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, torres said: Just had 5 different people from various walks of life ring me and say it. In that case I'm taking mi straws round to Mycrofts gaff...............hope hes got the kettle on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, torres said: Just had 5 different people from various walks of life ring me and say it. Hearsay...not admissible on an Owlstalk forum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, torres said: I think that might be it We chose option 2 tho...The harsh telling off...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, asteener1867 said: Hearsay...not admissible on an Owlstalk forum.... They were a rubbish group to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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