Ronnie Starling Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 11 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: What an absolutely ridiculous thread. Fans turn on one of the clubs best players. Our heads have absolutely gone. Firstly we expect too much from him. He was a free transfer and has turned into a revelation for the club. The bloke gives his all every week and is normally at the heart of every good attack. He covers the most ground every game. Secondly we will do well to replace Bannan with better when he does finally leave. There’s a reason why a lot of opposition manager makes a point of highlighting Bannan as our danger man in the pre-match press conference. Thirdly people are making assumptions on his character and personality when they don’t even know the bloke. He must be a bad egg because he bolloxed Fox for making a mistake. You’d think half of Owlstalk are on the coaching staff because they know the character of our players inside out. Jesus wept. The reason every opposition manager highlights Bannan is because they know that we will play through him all the time. It hasn't worked for 4 years. When he has't been in the side we haven't missed him that much as fans would think we would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: The reason every opposition manager highlights Bannan is because they know that we will play through him all the time. It hasn't worked for 4 years. When he has't been in the side we haven't missed him that much as fans would think we would. I think part of the issue is his role has changed from when he first came here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the first season he spent a lot of his time on the left. We then moved him more centrally and over time he has ended up becoming some sort of quarter back type player, looking to dictate play from a deeper position. Problem is, when Barry Alonso comes out, we don't look all that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, SiJ said: I think part of the issue is his role has changed from when he first came here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the first season he spent a lot of his time on the left. We then moved him more centrally and over time he has ended up becoming some sort of quarter back type player, looking to dictate play from a deeper position. Problem is, when Barry Alonso comes out, we don't look all that great. Yes you are right. He was on the left and linked up well with Lee and Forestieri to begin with. However our poor recruitment didnt address the main issues of having that dominant midfielder like Hull had with Diame. Instead we ended up with Jones and Abdi. There will be better players out there that are affordable and its down to our scouts to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, SiJ said: He has had a pop at Nando in the press today. If that article is accurate it doesn’t look good for team spirit and togetherness. Not up to Bannan to say that to the press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Ronnie Starling said: The reason every opposition manager highlights Bannan is because they know that we will play through him all the time. It hasn't worked for 4 years. When he has't been in the side we haven't missed him that much as fans would think we would. By playing through him do you mean a creative midfielder doing his job and getting on the ball to try and make things happen? Not his fault other players shirk responsibility and don’t demand the ball as much as he does. When FF and Bannan are on the pitch at the same time, you have two players who want the ball and look to create. That’s why we looked far more dangerous in the second half Wednesday night. It’s not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I wish Bannan would shut up giving us his opinion in the press he has been crap for the last few months and his goal to game ration is appalling for an attacking midfielder. He needs to start performing on the pitch and score some bloody goals, his shot in the second half on Wednesday was embarrassing as nearly went for a throw in. When Fessi came on we had some fight, quality and urgency in attacking, something we don't get from predictable Bannan always the same long ball to either fletcher or Reach which mostly never works, With Fessi on the pitch everything went through him instead of Bannan so for me it sounds like somewhat sour grapes from the little man. Midfield as a whole need to buck up their ideas and start sticking the ball in the back of the net instead of expecting Fletcher and Harris to do it all for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, oldishowl said: If that article is accurate it doesn’t look good for team spirit and togetherness. Not up to Bannan to say that to the press Its hardly earth shattering news though is it. Quite obvious what Fernando’s issues are. It’s why Watford got rid and why he’s been frustratingly inconsistent for 3 years now. If FF applied himself correctly he wouldn’t be playing for Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship. Maybe he needs a few home truths. Edited November 29, 2019 by SallyCinnamon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: By playing through him do you mean a creative midfielder doing his job and getting on the ball to try and make things happen? Not his fault other players shirk responsibility and don’t demand the ball as much as he does. When FF and Bannan are on the pitch at the same time, you have two players who want the ball and look to create. That’s why we looked far more dangerous in the second half Wednesday night. It’s not rocket science. So what happened in the first half and many other games this season. You see our players watching him do his fancy pirouette and they must be thinking WTF is he going to do now. He slows play down with too many touches on the ball going backwards and sideways. I could sit in midfield and take a pass from one centre half and then pass it back to another. We will not be promoted with either Bannan or Lee in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: So what happened in the first half and many other games this season. You see our players watching him do his fancy pirouette and they must be thinking WTF is he going to do now. He slows play down with too many touches on the ball going backwards and sideways. I could sit in midfield and take a pass from one centre half and then pass it back to another. We will not be promoted with either Bannan or Lee in the side. Think Bannon situation sums us up at the minute, too many players living on past glories of we used to be quite good back when Carlos first came. Clear them out, or do your talking with your feet on the pitch. As for this receive a pass then turning backwards wtf! Meant to go forward think it is a habit now like 40 a day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 19 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: We haven't as of yet found a replacement, Tom Lees is a very good professional and a cracking role model for the younger players as to how to behave on and off the pitch, but he's no Pearson. In fact the closest we've had was the lad venancio who we loaned and he ignored for half a season, he was immense in the away draw at the pigs and you saw him moving players around, talking the rest of the lads through the game. Hutch as much as I think he would make a good captain, while he has mellowed and stopped doing stupid things and getting sent off so often, is a bit like Lees in the fact he's better at just being asked to focus on his own game. Borner by the look and sounds looks like he could be potentially a good captain,but it's how people react around the dressing room when you change captain. It's been our downfall since clusterfck Carlos's last season when we all had realised Glen's legs had gone. It's just the same in every job and walk of life, if there's no good leadership it ends up a shambles. My only concern with Borner is, how good is his English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 hours ago, SiJ said: He has had a pop at Nando in the press today. Had a little pop in the sky interview the other day as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Bannan looks like a piece from a totally different puzzle with us a lot now. His value is now starting to drop and hope we look at any bids in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, SiJ said: Think you are right here. Leadership is pretty complex - you either have it or you don't. Some people respond to a kick up the arse, others need an arm around the shoulder and encouragement. A good leader recognises that and knows what approach to use. If it was me, I think I'd rather have a Tom Lees type, though I think he is probably a bit too quiet. Bannan on the other hand...you'd just want to tell him to F off, wouldn't you? Ni SiJ I wouldn't want too, I'd tell him to F off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Owl Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 23 hours ago, Lawrie Madden said: Or maybe he cares You can care and not be a tailface to your team mates. Taking away their confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 We've all played football on team with that gobshite who constantly berates his teammates and then doesn't heed his own *advice.* Very much do as I say; not as i do. Completely counter productive imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Players are motivated differently...Maybe bannan knows that if he didn't "have a go" at a certain player...That player might not carry on playing as well has he has been doing lately...Each player is motivated differently...and maybe Bannan knows how to get Fox back on track, better than we do....just a thought..I know as much as the rest of you do. Bannan, overall is probably the most consistent player we have..Iorfa is catching him up..Borner is getting better..but drop Bannan?...cos he "shouted at somebody"? If you want passion in a team...You have to have some players who bloody care when we lose a goal....Its not all.."oooh hard luck mate"..Some lose their temper Every week on here its "Pick a scapegoat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Yeah the other side of the city have a far better attitude to team mates making mistakes, our squad looks toxic at times but we all know we need a reshuffle. There's definitely some tension especially with some of the new signing we have coming in like ML, he looks like he isn't enjoying it here ATM to me, I think when you have a group of players at the core of the team that have been at the club for ages they have some resentment about new signing coming in to potentially take the place of a team mate etc. I actually think Monk likes it that way though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) As for Bannan he's the engine of our team right now and he's a great player no doubt but I've long said we need to move on if we are going to progress forward. If you have a 2.0L engine you can build a great car around it, but at the end of the day no amount of extras or upgrades will get you preforming like a 3.0L. In that respect Bannan is our biggest strength but at the same time our biggest weakness Edited November 29, 2019 by keepitsteel89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 28/11/2019 at 12:36, Kanye West said: Don't get me wrong I love Bannan but he does it nearly every game, not just Fox, it's the same with Palmer and Pelupessy. Considering Bannan's form and his suicidal attempted header back to Dawson last night he should probably wind his neck in a bit. It's a fair point. Bannan may well have been right to have a go at Fox on this occasion but it sort of loses its effect when you are doing it too often, which seems to be the case. Sometimes you need to tell it like it is and sometimes a bit of constructive criticism or positive encouragement is better served. Bannan is rarely seen doing either of the latter. A good player but not not an ideal captain for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 28/11/2019 at 20:03, Suffolk.Owl said: I said we should have had the Crowleys brothers as Manager, one of them ran the midfield last night for Birmingham, would be a good replacement for Bannan as I feel he's living off past years glory. Time for a change. I must have missed that as we had far more possession than we usually have and created plenty of chances. If Birmingham ran the midfield on Wednesday night I dread to think what they are like when they are 2nd best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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