SiJ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Fletcher isn't a natural goalscorer. He is a 10 to 12 goals a season man. Good at winning flick ons and holding the ball up, but his finishing leaves a lot to be desired. Last night he missed a pretty easy volley, took a bad touch when the goal was gaping and hit another one straight over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 We’re hitting a brick wall again at this stage of the season for a third successive year. The issue is with the quality/mentality of the players not the manager IMO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said: We’re hitting a brick wall again at this stage of the season for a third successive year. The issue is with the quality/mentality of the players not the manager IMO? The problem is Chansiri and will continue to be whilst he is at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsy1982swfc Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, alanharper said: Can we do that?! You've said he only had 10 minutes twice, now you've grudgingly changed your tune to half a game, when the facts are that this season he's played for 182 minutes (and the stats don't include injury time either), that's actually over 3 hours including a full game against lower league Rotherham, when the only thing I can remember him doing is getting outpaced by 48 year old Richard Wood despite having a few yards start. It's time some people faced facts, he's not suddenly going to magically rediscover his form from 5 years ago, the lad was effectively finished as a top class Championshp striker at 25. How many of these minutes are consecutive? Anyone who comes on with 15-20 mins to go will struggle to make an impact I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, cuttsy1982swfc said: How many of these minutes are consecutive? Anyone who comes on with 15-20 mins to go will struggle to make an impact I believe. If you've watched him play recently I don't see how you can think he is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 How have people not waked up to the fact that Jordan Rhodes is not good enough? Norwich wanted to sign him because he's a nice bloke, not because he contributed on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I think the long and shot of it is all the team need some shooting practise, we have had over 60 attempts on goal in the last 4 match and managed just 5 goals this is an appalling striker rate most of these chances are not on target but I would like to see how we compare to other team in the top 6 and bottom 6 as clearly there is either an issue with the basics of the game, i.e. aim for the thing with the 3 white poles and the net connected to it or the issues is who is taking the shots. Last night, Nuihu missed a sitter, as did Lee, Borner and Fox had free headers in front of goal 6 yards out that they missed the target. Monk tells us we are playing well yet each game we are not scoring the goals and making sloppy mistakes at the back, lees last night out of position left the big hole for them to score from. As for the Rhodes, Winnall comment the guys never play, they are never even on the bench, then they don't play in the reserve games so why would we suddenly expect them to score goals. Its £60,000 of wasted money currently as we have not even tried to get rid of them either presumably we have so much income we can have £3m a season sat in the stands. I wish I was on a 10th of that amount to sit in the stands. If Winnall and Rhodes had had as much game time as Nuihu this season both would have more than the 2 in 16 appearance he has so far. For some reason though they never get picked presumable something to do with the manager, as Thorniley also is not getting any game time even when Lees was injured he never was on the bench. Results need to improve now and if players untouchable need either dropping to the bench or out of the squad completely, Reach, Hutch, Lees, Bannan none are performing to the levels they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, SiJ said: Fletcher isn't a natural goalscorer. He is a 10 to 12 goals a season man. Good at winning flick ons and holding the ball up, but his finishing leaves a lot to be desired. Last night he missed a pretty easy volley, took a bad touch when the goal was gaping and hit another one straight over. Complete agree which we don't normally but as I have been saying not playing 4-4-2 the current formation is not working, too many chances are falling to players such as Fox, Lee, Borner etc who are then fluffing the chance have another striker on the pitch for the flick on and the link up play and more of these chance would be in the back of the net. Last night Lee's, Fox, Flecher chance replace them with Fessi or Winnall and we would have scoring in 1 or 2 of the chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, maltbyowl said: Only scored more than 1 goal against Swansea yet starts 1 upfront and only has Niuhu on bench, where's Rhodes and Winnall? FF not starting doesn't take alot to notice so why is Monk not seeing it or is it because there's something we don't know regards to finance or whatever? or is Chansiri picking the team? GM: "We are still in a healthy position. There is plenty of football to be played. I have complete belief in the players." #SWFC Yet he still keeps FF out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: I dont think we are playing as badly as 1 win in 7 suggests. Carry on playing same way, get bit more rub of the green and learn to see out games a bit better it will be 1 loss in 7. Problem is you could say the same about Birmingham and several others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, cuttsy1982swfc said: How many of these minutes are consecutive? Anyone who comes on with 15-20 mins to go will struggle to make an impact I believe. 1 x 90 minutes (L1 opponents) 2 x 25 minutes 1 x 22 minutes Plus 2 shorter spells of 7 and 13 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I think Monk needs to settle on a system. Whether that is 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1. If you are playing the latter, then those in midfield have got to get around Fletcher and offer more in terms of goals. Zero goals from Bannan, Lee, two from Luongo, three from Harris, two from Murphy and one from Reach? That is not enough when you've got a striker who isn't prolific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonOWL Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Blue and white said: Is that the same Rhodes who has played for 10 minutes this season and was largely praised for his contributions, however for the Rhodes bashers out there he didn't score so let's bash him some more. he has played more than ten mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 If you don’t attack. You don’t score. If you don’t score you don’t win. When I saw the team he picked last night my first question was where’s the goals in that side. If we get a 12 point deduction we are in serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Lots of people saying "we don't attack enough". 25ish shots yesterday... according to WhoScored 16 of those came from inside the penalty area. That's a pretty high number considering the last couple of years we've struggled to reach half of that in 90 minutes. We just don't have the personell capable of hitting the back of the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, maltbyowl said: Only scored more than 1 goal against Swansea yet starts 1 upfront and only has Niuhu on bench, where's Rhodes and Winnall? FF not starting doesn't take alot to notice so why is Monk not seeing it or is it because there's something we don't know regards to finance or whatever? or is Chansiri picking the team? I'm guessing you don't like the starting formation, 4 5 1 looks negative but 2 of the midfielders are supposed to support Fletcher which they don't seem to do, on too many occasions Fletcher is winning or trying to win ball with no one near him or making runs off ball. Saying that we could or should have gone in at half time 2-0 up, Keiran Lee should have scored, could have even squared ball to Fletcher to roll into an empty net, Fletch himself should have done better when ball dropped to him on edge of area, on target and it would have been 1-0. Obviously we're more of a threat when Nuhui and Forestieri are on but we do look a little open at back compared to other formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Lots of people saying "we don't attack enough". 25ish shots yesterday... according to WhoScored 16 of those came from inside the penalty area. That's a pretty high number considering the last couple of years we've struggled to reach half of that in 90 minutes. We just don't have the personell capable of hitting the back of the net How many of them were before we switched to 2 up front? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, alanharper said: How many of them were before we switched to 2 up front? When would you say we switched to two up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, alanharper said: How many of them were before we switched to 2 up front? 7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, StudentOwl said: When would you say we switched to two up front? We had the extra attacker when FF came on, and 10 minutes later switched to a more traditional front 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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