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Doesn't matter how good the acoustics are if people aren't signing because they aren't excited about what's happening on the pitch.

 

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Gawkers attracted by a new stadium won't stick around once the novelty wears off.  Foolhardy to try and attract casuals long-term with that. 

 

Improve atmosphere and keep casuals engaged?  Win.  It's simple.

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41 minutes ago, DNS said:

 

How is it easily segregated, it's one open concourse?

 

 

Build a brick wall with armed sentries in turrets 

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Ground does need modernization with out doubt probably an a huge scale. That's nothing to do with atmosphere. Hillsborough back when I first started going in 1990 was songs sang from start to finish non stop. Only time it was quite was when it was a game where the manager you could tell was about to be sacked because he'd lost the team. So it's down to us and the team to play a style that exited us not depresses us. Over the years Hillsborough has got quieter and quieter. Needs promotion desperately. We have hit a wall and feels like we are stuck awaiting our future to start

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Perhaps if they stopped playing all that relentlessly shít local band music a few more people would feel they could come back.:ph34r:

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All seater stadiums is the problem. Not just at Hillsborough but at football grounds across the country. Bring back standing areas and the singers would gravitate towards that and create a good atmosphere again. Not a chance in hell that it'll happen though, FFS. :bullen:

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I maybe wrong, but as the ground no longer belongs to SWFC any development would be paid for by the owner i.e. DC.  This would probably lead to an increase in whatever rent we pay, but is perhaps something he would think of as he considers how we move forward as a club

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3 hours ago, frastheowl said:

 

This.

 

It's really not rocket science. 

 

But, atmosphere's don't balance the books do they?

Your second sentence contradicts the first...?

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3 hours ago, adelphi1867 said:

There was a time when we used to sing "We've got a shed as big as this" at away grounds, now we cannot sing that cos most grounds are far better than Hillsboro and now they sing that song about us.

When the time is right and we have some cash, Premiere League money, then we must move to another site, Neepsend perhaps, with a modern stadium fit for purpose and attracting money.

First para is total testicles as is the second Neepsend may well be OK if we were staging a boat race but Football ? Hillsborough Park is much more suited, higher elevation too. 

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How many other grounds in the country look virtually exactly the same as they did in the mid 90s? Elland Road and Loftus Road are the only two I can think of.

 

Every other ground in the top two leagues has either been redeveloped or built from new in the last 25 years.

 

If Chansiri does put any more money into the club I’d rather he put it into the ground than players.

 

We wasted money in the 90s on the likes of Hinchcliffe, Jonk and de Bilde instead of developing the ground and then we’ve done it again on Rhodes, Abdi, van Aken, Jones and Boyd. 
 

But the reality is unless we get promoted, nothing will happen. I don’t think Chansiri has the appetite to take on something with the cost of either redeveloping Hillsborough or building a new ground.

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It's easy peasy this segregation of away fans in the lower south idea. Had the idea way back  just after 89 ....

Do a similar version of Blackburns Darwen end with the indoor steel door in lower concourse enter over the bridge or side of leppings lane ..no need to close vere road etc just block the road at the bridge for specific time in and time out escort them in and out ..

It's not difficult with a bit of give n take 

Maximum of 2000 away fans for all clubs ..

Then ring Nick Knowles n his chums to give the West a reyt good seeing to to merge in with the Canterlever ..

Where police box is build a 2 story set up to include police on one floor TV on another ...

That helps segregate home n away in that corner ...

Build a wall of used werthers to segregate home n away in the south ...

The only club in the country to have 2 kops ....

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, nilsson said:

How many other grounds in the country look virtually exactly the same as they did in the mid 90s? Elland Road and Loftus Road are the only two I can think of.

 

Every other ground in the top two leagues has either been redeveloped or built from new in the last 25 years.

 

If Chansiri does put any more money into the club I’d rather he put it into the ground than players.

 

We wasted money in the 90s on the likes of Hinchcliffe, Jonk and de Bilde instead of developing the ground and then we’ve done it again on Rhodes, Abdi, van Aken, Jones and Boyd. 
 

But the reality is unless we get promoted, nothing will happen. I don’t think Chansiri has the appetite to take on something with the cost of either redeveloping Hillsborough or building a new ground.

 

In years gone by the club got criticised for spending money on the ground instead of on players...

 

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10 minutes ago, alanharper said:

 

In years gone by the club got criticised for spending money on the ground instead of on players...

 


That must be going back a few years. Which ground developments generated criticism?

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5 hours ago, RevOwl said:

Having attended most home matches last season and this season you can't help notice how quiet and soulless Hillsborough's become. We've even got away fans attending and remarking on it as well as chants about it from the away support. It got me wondering if it would improve the atmosphere if we were to redevelop or even relocate. Something's got to be done or the place will only get worse if success doesn't happen very soon. I can't imagine many people who attend Hillsborough for the first time feel the need to rush back. 

the question of 'is this a library' has been going on for more than a couple of seasons.

I've been attending for more than 5 decades, when the kop had no roof, the sound went up and out, it was appallingly quiet and a sh*t atmosphere in comparison to wednesday away.

then following the introduction of seating (it seems) many left the kop for other stands, a good few to the n/w where they can come into contact with opposition fans for ongoing banter 'TRACK SUIT FROM MATALAN' etc.

it must come as a huge surprise for away fans visiting hillsborough for the first time (with no prior knowledge of 'the library') to find the swfc vocal support they'll have heard many times in their home games v. wednesday doesn't exist at s6.

what can the club do?

firstly, i'd install sound deadening insulation in the roof of the leppings lane stand.

secondly, i'd look into the installation of sound amplification (not electrically amplified, more of the type in the roof of the sydney opera house). 

thirdly, whilst the club is having trouble with the 'pigs fans' trying to shut the north stand down, i'd look at the introduction of a 'singing area' being allotted in the kop.

I imagine with a slight reduction in pricing over the north, along with the knowledge of 'enhanced acoustics' it would seem, attractive to many in the n/w perhaps, and be a kick in the 'testis' for the pigs/pigs.

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11 minutes ago, nilsson said:


That must be going back a few years. Which ground developments generated criticism?

Think it was the re design of the South in the 90s with new grandstand.

 

Money for the ground which could've been used to sustain the ability to compete in the top half out the Prem 

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1 hour ago, markg said:

Doesn't matter how good the acoustics are if people aren't signing because they aren't excited about what's happening on the pitch.

 

how are people not 'excited by what's happening on the pitch'?

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56 minutes ago, nilsson said:

How many other grounds in the country look virtually exactly the same as they did in the mid 90s? Elland Road and Loftus Road are the only two I can think of.

 

Every other ground in the top two leagues has either been redeveloped or built from new in the last 25 years.

 

If Chansiri does put any more money into the club I’d rather he put it into the ground than players.

 

We wasted money in the 90s on the likes of Hinchcliffe, Jonk and de Bilde instead of developing the ground and then we’ve done it again on Rhodes, Abdi, van Aken, Jones and Boyd. 
 

But the reality is unless we get promoted, nothing will happen. I don’t think Chansiri has the appetite to take on something with the cost of either redeveloping Hillsborough or building a new ground.

you should go and look over the fence at a wimpy site if you like building work that much.

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New Ground, New Sound............ Same old Wednesday.

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Someone suggested put home fans in West stand and visitors in South.

Might be a decent idea.  Visitors in the Leppings Lane half of the South stand and make them exit over bridge.  Our fans to exit via Leppings Lane and Penistone Road. Barriers up to stop our fans going over the bridge.

 

The advantage is we could continue to charge high prices for South so away fans help to pay for policing, stewarding.   Chansiri could lower prices for West stand and Kop so our poorer fans can afford POTG. Would improve atmosphere for TV.

 

Our problem is we have 23,000 fans and almost 40,000 seats.   But we need that capacity if we eventually get back to the top division, which historically is where we feel we belong.

 

Whats the point moving?  We could build an atmospheric 28,000 seater which would look good in the 2nd tier but nowhere big enough in the top tier.

 

Of course we could be stuck in the 2nd tier for the next 20 years...... nobody knows. But if the likes of Hull Bradord, Boro, United and Huddersfield can manage the top division(they've all done it after 2000) I suspect our time will eventually come.

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4 hours ago, adelphi1867 said:

There was a time when we used to sing "We've got a shed as big as this" at away grounds, now we cannot sing that cos most grounds are far better than Hillsboro and now they sing that song about us.

When the time is right and we have some cash, Premiere League money, then we must move to another site, Neepsend perhaps, with a modern stadium fit for purpose and attracting money.

 

That song is about size. Not quality. 

 

With villa back in the prem I'm struggling to think of a club with a bigger stadium than us...

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