Beholder Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Thread title is over the top but the point behind it is fair. He was an absolute bargain and still only 24. No offense to Tom Lee's but his pace and physicality makes him a better player and he will only get better. Who knows where he will end up. Edited October 27, 2019 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Well we have now done the Possibility, We had best get on with the Valuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Salmonbones said: I have witnessed players for us playing top flight football having played for us in the third tier, and they did well. Irish instantly comes to mind. Other players we signed from lower league who did well, didn't we get Pearson from Shrewsbury or somewhere like that? Bougherra we didn't sign from lower but went on to better things. It's not beyond the realm of possibility for Iorfa to do this too. Irish who? and where would you consider Bougherra to have gone on to better things.....Charlton or the pub league north of the border? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyowl1 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Anything is possible, Jeffers 1 cap 1 goal. Unlikely but let's hope so as we will have made a big profit on him if he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Tamworthowl said: Well that's partly my point. Iorfa has been good, but England standard? No way can I see Iorfa ever being half as good Terry or Ferdinand or Southgate or Campbell or Pallister etc. But ask yourself these questions: If he carries on playing and improving as he has done, will he be good enough for a Prem team to come in for him next summer? Are Tyrone Mings and Michael Keane that much better than Iorfa? Would a few months at EPL level be enough for Iorfa to bridge the gap between him and Mings/Keane and bring him up to current England standard? The state of England's central defenders is so poor, I don't think it's fanciful to think that in 18 months, with continued dominant performances, Iorfa could be being mention for a possible call up. Fair points well made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I really think some people have lost sight of just how big the gulf in class between the where we are and the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 If we end up in the Prem and he continues in the same stretch, then why not. IMO, his development right now is probably the same as Tyrone Mings was this time last year. So who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, McRightSide said: I really think some people have lost sight of just how big the gulf in class between the where we are and the PL The gulf between the top 2 to the rest is massive. However, the gap between say the worse 6 Prem clubs and top half champ isn't all that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Tomori was no better than Hector last season, but Tomori is getting Prem exposure, so is considered for England Iorfa would have to get Prem games under his belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Anyones better than Chris Smalling absolute thunderwonk he is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdial Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Tamworthowl said: A few weeks ago someone posted that Iorfa would be in the England set up soon. I'm not sure if the statement was in jest, a wind up, or genuine, but I rubbished it. I take it back. He's still some way off, but I can see him being considered in 12-18 months if he continues his recent improvement. I'm not his greatest fan: he has too many mistakes in him for my liking, but he is immense. Not just for his bread and butter headed clearances, but pace and recovery, his tackling, his blocks, and his covering for fullbacks. And a few goals. He's becoming our best centre back for years. I stress "becoming", but his stupid mistakes are getting less frequent and with Monk's guidance on the training pitch, and Borner/Hutch on a match day, he is becoming one of, if not the, best in the league. Remember the much admired Michael Hector? Not a patch on Iorfa. If he stay injury free and continues to develop he could well be in the premier league next season. Hopefully with us. And when in the Prem, is he worse than Tomori or Mings? Based on what we saw of those two last season, he's better. Given half a season in the top league, he should be ahead of Keane and challenging Stones. Whilst I don't think Iorfa is developing into the next Sol Cambell, the paucity of truly talented English centre backs makes me think that Iorfa is heading toward the quality that now merits an England call up. His only big downside ( and where most of his mistakes come from) is his ability on the ball when we try to play from the back. Unfortunately that might limit his opportunities at a higher level, but I can see the likes of Everton, Burnley, Bournemouth taking a chance on him. Can’t wait for the euros when Iorfa and Beevers are starting centre backs. Gonna be class 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Groundhopping Owl Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 With the way he rampages forward, I'd be interested to see how he'd do on the right of a back three, might suit him even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 England? Who knows? what I do know is that he is looking very assured and confident but he has what cannot be coached, his pace he is the fastest centre back I have ever seen playing for Wednesday in over 50 years he makes Des Walker look pedestrian ( and Des played for England ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Jimmy Dean Big Bad Dom Clean sheet without Borner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash77 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tamworthowl said: A few weeks ago someone posted that Iorfa would be in the England set up soon. I'm not sure if the statement was in jest, a wind up, or genuine, but I rubbished it. I take it back. He's still some way off, but I can see him being considered in 12-18 months if he continues his recent improvement. I'm not his greatest fan: he has too many mistakes in him for my liking, but he is immense. Not just for his bread and butter headed clearances, but pace and recovery, his tackling, his blocks, and his covering for fullbacks. And a few goals. He's becoming our best centre back for years. I stress "becoming", but his stupid mistakes are getting less frequent and with Monk's guidance on the training pitch, and Borner/Hutch on a match day, he is becoming one of, if not the, best in the league. Remember the much admired Michael Hector? Not a patch on Iorfa. If he stay injury free and continues to develop he could well be in the premier league next season. Hopefully with us. And when in the Prem, is he worse than Tomori or Mings? Based on what we saw of those two last season, he's better. Given half a season in the top league, he should be ahead of Keane and challenging Stones. Whilst I don't think Iorfa is developing into the next Sol Cambell, the paucity of truly talented English centre backs makes me think that Iorfa is heading toward the quality that now merits an England call up. His only big downside ( and where most of his mistakes come from) is his ability on the ball when we try to play from the back. Unfortunately that might limit his opportunities at a higher level, but I can see the likes of Everton, Burnley, Bournemouth taking a chance on him. I said id rather have him than micheal keane at cb after keane gifted the czechs a goal which got a few lafs!, keane has hopefully been dropped for england now after some poor showings. 30m and hes not as quick, strong, tall or even aware as dom imo. Good cbs are really rare these days, bar laporte even man citys are average, they had otomendi on bench and a cm at cb on sat! He would need premier lg games to have a chance but dont think mings is any better, stones drops too many clangers and is maybe a party boy, tomori drops clangers but does have raw talent, maguire solid but needs pace next to him.... At 24 i'd have money on an england cap if 5-1 or more, why cant he play for england if hes in the prem lg one day? Edited October 27, 2019 by Ash77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I agree with say 12-18months time and development at a club higher up the footballing ladder and you could well see him being touted to be in an England squad in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash77 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hack-Abusi said: I agree with say 12-18months time and development at a club higher up the footballing ladder and you could well see him being touted to be in an England squad in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 He seems to have quickly established himself at centre back this season. I suppose the aim for him is to try and keep his place here ahead of Lees, Thorniley etc. If he does this then there's a good chance he'll catch the eye of premier league clubs particularly if our defensive record continues to be good. Personally I think there's more chance of him playing for Nigeria than England TBH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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